John Edser wrote:
>>>>RN:-
>>>>Evolution is a fact because we have direct evidence of change in
>>>>heritable features over time.
>>
>>>>JE:-
>>>>Incorrect. "Evolution is a fact because we have direct evidence
>>>>of" A NON RANDOM "change in heritable features
over time".
>>
>>>>RN:-
>>>>Simply put, evolution explains what we see and there is no
competitive
>>>>explanation that has any shred of scientific validity.
>>
>>>>JE:-
>>>>Random changes on their own, do not have
>>>>"any shred of scientific validity" .
>>
>>>RN:-
>>>Everyone in the known universe except you understands probabilistic
>>>phenomena and accepts drift as a legitimate mechanism of evolution.
>>
>>>JE:-
>>>Well, isn't it just amazing that RN knows
>>>"everyone in the known universe"! Perhaps
>>>RN is an associate of Sai Baba who wrote:
>>>"There are those who think that the world
>>>exists and that the world is real. There
>>>are others who think that the world does
>>>not exist and that the world is not real.
>>>Rare indeed is that blessed one who does
>>>not think, But who is ever calm, abiding
>>>in the Absolute."
>>>If you wish evolutionary theory to remain
>>>a testable view of science so that it
>>>never again becomes just post modern
>>>clay for group selective maniacs like
>>>Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol pot etc, etc,
>>>then we will have to re-educate "everyone
>>>in the known universe" to independently
>>>THINK, won't we...
>>
>>RN:-
>>John clearly is not amused by the rhetorical device called
>>"hyperbole".  Clearly I don't mean literally everyone in
the universe.
>>I simply mean everyone in the universe with a clear understanding of
>>science and evolution.  Yes, I do personally know all of them.
>>
>>JE:-
>>It's just more group selective rubbish isn't it!
>>A larger group is NOT necessarily naturally
>>selected over a smaller group.
> 
> 
> F:-
> Especially when the "smaller group" is actually just a
single nutjob with
> *way* too much time on his hands.
> 
> JE:-
> Frank I am so sorry to hear that you
> have "*way* too much time" on your 
> hands and this is driving you nutty.
> Can I suggest a study of the epistemology
> of science to give you an appreciation
> of what is and what isn't, science?
> 
Josh - WAKE UP!

And the rest of you should really listen to our esteemed moderator when 
he asks you to be polite.  If I wanted to read endless bouts of insults, 
I'd subscribe to Hansard.

[moderator's note: Yeah, I actually saw this and let it go, figuring
John deserved one shot back. But now, please, people, enough slagging.
If you can't say something constructive, don't bother. - JAH]

Bob

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