Maurice Kinal wrote in a message to Roy J. Tellason:

 MK> Hey Roy!

> It depends on what they're trying to do.

 MK> If we're talking about what already happened then they already won.
 MK> They no longer have to actually do anything to disrupt our society.

Maybe,  I'm not so sure.  Are you referring to the way the economy has been
going mostly?  My attitude toward that is wait-and-see at this point in
time.  I do feel that a lot of the old assumptions don't hold true any
more,  for whatever that's worth,  but then I'm not sure how much they ever
did.

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