BK>Read Bob Justman and Herb Solow's book, they spent a fair amount of time
BK>discussing the making of that episode. I think you'll find
BK>it's more a case of the realities of production then
BK>anything to do with "the darker side of GR" However if you
BK>want "the darker side", etc.. there is a healthy dose of
BK>reality about the goings on during the TOS era.
        I read it right afterwards.  I also read the unauthorized
 Roddenberry bio.  There is some nasty, nasty stuff in there.  But I
 have this seperation between Trek as a concept and a story telling
 arena and Gene Roddenberry whatever his personal faults.  A lot of
 people don't.  That's sad.
BK>I'd have to qualify this by saying I haven't watched
BK>Voyager that much. It lost me early on.. and when I can
BK>back to watch "Flashback" I quit watching it after. I
BK>really don't consider what I was watching
BK>"Action/adventure".
        In each episode, the ship must be in danger.  Recently (last
 season) they did an episode where people with long range transporters
 were taking over the ship.  It ended in an "exciting" run and gun
 sequence.  We never even found out who the hostage takers were or why
 they thought beaming people off of starship was a good idea.  Captain
 janeway got the drop on the leaders with a phaser and earned freedom
 for all of their hostages at gun point and then the story was over,
 roll credits.  Inane.  But there was some shooting and some running
 involved.  That sounds like action adventure to me.
BK>There was a great potential for Voyager.. but it's just plain 
lat/mediocre
BK>writing. Do you know that on their scripts.. it's just
BK>dialog.. nothing else.
BK>Do you realise that the writers don't have the capacity to
BK>try and pass along the "concept" of their writings?
        I'm not certain what you mean in that paragraph.  I have found
 few Voyager episodes to be *about* anything, despite some flashing
 lights and some exciting motion on the screen.
        There was one episode (In the First Season) where the Voyager
 ran across a technologically advanced world where the Prime directive
 had to applied to the *Voyager*.  What a lovely idea!  They ended the
 episode by shaking the camera, putting red filters on the lights and
 having people fall out of their chairs.
BK>I've got a good Voyager script sitting here and it has been
BK>for about 2 years now. I wouldn't bother with it since I
BK>feel there are parts of the "Concept" that need to be put
BK>forth for the production crew (specifically CGI).. why
BK>bother if I can't?
        I would be interested in reading that
BK>Well, if I had the time.. I could get into a really good
BK>discussion of the writing with you.. Personally I think
BK>there's far more involved with the problems there. I just
BK>don't have the free time for that involved of a
BK>discussion.. :/
        I'm sorry that you don't.  I understand if work takes you away.
 We must have our priorities.  This sort of discussion is what I view
 this sub for.  But maybe our little discussion here can be the spark
 for a thread.
BK>It's been my opinion since "T&T" (DS-9) that they still
BK>have the potential.. they could easily do a good TOS era
BK>show and have a ball doing it *IF* they can do it without
BK>the consistent writing problems that they've shown for some
BK>time now.. and *IF* they remember that a big part of TOS
BK>was crew chemistry.. and not Treknobabble.
BK>Get rid of the politics, open up the writing resources..
BK>and GO for it. Heck they have a good part of a classic
BK>Constitution Class already built and in storage.
        I disagree with an assumption you make here.  TOS wasn't the
 great God of Trek.  It wasn't a perfect show and had some flaws and
 some dropped balls of it's own.  Setting a new series on an old ship
 wouldn't solve anything if they were going to a stupid pattern of story
 telling to begin with.
        There would be very few stories that you might tell on the older
 ship that you couldn't tell on Voyager, assuming no format
 restrictions.
BK>Nope, not with the Paramount resorces. Voyager will go on..
BK>bad ratings and all.
BK>                                     BK
        Maybe if they beat the dead horse enough they'll get bored and
lift the writing restrictions.
        BTW the big time travel episode of Voyager,  I thought was neat
up unit the very end of the show.  The ending was useless! Dumb!
Idiotic!  They had a nice idea  and wrote on it until they reached the
end of their two hours and then had some deux ex machina turn up to
smooth things out in the last five minutes of the episode.  Duh!
Jay P. Hailey 
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