> JMcG:-
> Afterall you do not deny the existence of biological 
> entities such as genes, cells, groups, species, 
> biomes, and ecosytems.  Surely you would not have us 
> ignore the existence and evolutionary origins of 
> these biological entities. 
>  
> JE:-
> I am not ignoring them. Empirically some multi 
> levels can be shown to be _non_ simultaneous,
> i.e. they are selected in a sequence,

Why don't you present this empirical evidence and 
stop blabbering on about domains of truth and other 
nonsense?



> JMcG:-
> You're saying it's always necessary to look at 
> evobiological phenomena from the perspective of the 
> individual.  
> 
> JE:-
> No, each _fertile_ individual.

Why only this?  

> This is because
> only this selective level (unit of selection) 
> is empirically, the 1st independent
> (additive) level of selection within nature.

If this is empirical, as you say, then you should be 
able to point to some actual evidence.  Well, what 
are you waiting for?  



> all dependent levels
> such as the gene level are selected simultaneously
> at just this one, single level of selection.
> Independent levels above the single Darwinian level
> are determined by selection at just this
> first level, e.g. groups of fertile forms.
> If groups of fertile forms acting as one selectee
> attempt to contradict selection at the Darwinian
> fertile form level (which always happens _firstly_ 
> within each grouped selectee) then both  levels 
> lose out and both levels move towards extinction.
> Here selection can only compliment and not contradict
> selection at the Darwinian level.

This reads like typical Edserian nonsense.  Let me make
a suggestion.  Instead of blathering on with technical
sounding terminology that means nothing to anybody but 
yourself, why don't you provide an example.


> JMcG:-
> I'm saying it's not always necessary or 
> desirable to look at evobiological phenomena *only* 
> from the perspective of the individual.  Sometimes it 
> is valuable to look at it from the perspective of 
> these other biological entities/levels/units.



> JMcG:-
> John, I'm afraid the expansiveness of evobiological 
> phenomena could never be conceptually confined to 
> your Finite Domain of Truth.  
> 
> JE:-
> The "Finite Domain of Truth" I offer was not mine,
> it was Darwin's.

Well then this is a perfect opportunity for you to 
provide references.  Well, what are you waiting for?  

Jim
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