From: "Gary Britt" 

Yes no problem rape is out.  As is real torture.  But affronts to personal
dignity is too vague to be enforceable without clarifying and specific
definitions.

Gary

"Adam" <""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the
field.near the bridge"> wrote in message
news:452598f1$1{at}w3.nls.net...
> Gary Britt wrote:
>> OK so list for me what's allowed and what isn't when questioning a Muslim
>> terrorist suspect?  If its so easy and clear should be no problem for you
>> to
>> do.
>>
>
> Personally I think a good start would be to end physical abuse/torture.
> The mental part wrt dignity etc is more difficult at the edges but not
> at the core. e.g. rape esp male rape is not so much a physical torture
> as an affront to dignity/an expression of power & that's something which
> I'd like to think you'd rule out.
>
> Adam
>
>> Gary
>>
>> "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
>> news:45251522{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>> If you think "affronts to personal dignity"
isn't vague then please
>>>> list
>>>> for me those things that are and aren't violations of that standard.
>>> It isn't vague at all if one has sociology training and a very little
>>> bit
>>> of time to study the group you're targeting.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bob Comer
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Gary Britt"  wrote in message
>>> news:45248ef1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>> Its vague because its vague.  It is so vague that if the
same language
>>>> were made part of some USA criminal statute the ACLU, et al would
>>>> immediately oppose it being imposed on any run of the mill
>>>> killer/murderer as being unconstitutionally vague in that it is so
>>>> vague
>>>> a person could not determine what is prohibited and what isn't
>>>> prohibited
>>>> with any rational degree of certainty.
>>>>
>>>> If you think "affronts to personal dignity"
isn't vague then please
>>>> list
>>>> for me those things that are and aren't violations of that standard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>> "Robert Comer" 
wrote in message
>>>> news:4524709a$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>> No one else has found it "vague" so far.
>>>>> It's only vague because it doesn't say what they want it to say.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Bob Comer
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Phil Payne"
 wrote in message
>>>>> news:4524467d$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>> "Gary Britt" 
wrote in message
>>>>>> news:452402ff$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>> Because the language being dealt with is so vague ..
>>>>>> No one else has found it "vague" so far.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>

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