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echo: philos
to: MARK BLOSS
from: DAVID MARTORANA
date: 1998-02-23 21:23:00
subject: `Perfection`

 ++> Mark Bloss wrote to David Martorana
 ++> on "PERFECTION"
 
 DM> Some in a poetry of contrived samples, you manage to lift
 DM> "perfection" right out of reality! Had my "thing" been more than
 
 MB> Indeed!  Precisely what demonstrates the imperceptible relationship
 MB> that perfection has with reality itself.  Reality is _perfect_ - yet
 MB> our understanding of reality is _imperfect_.  We cannot say perfection
 MB> is that which can be grasped - because it is not graspable, except
 MB> nuomenally.  There is nothing in reality _ACCORDING TO OUR PERCEPTION
 MB> OF REALITY_ that is phenomenally perfect!  But that does NOT mean
 MB> that reality is imperfect - only our perceptions of it.
 
 DM> just a simple machine it could still never qualify as perfect
 DM> because you always call for a design modification at the last
 DM> moment to render it imperfect. If YOU won't or cannot define the
 
 MB> Just the same as any number can have a 1 added to it.  In fact, it
 MB> is precisely the same as any number - it's not infinite - any number
 MB> in fact, is finite - but does that mean there is no such thing as
 MB> an infinity?  Analogously, any _status_ is imperfect, because it
 MB> can always be improved upon.  Even if the _reality_ of that status
 MB> is perfect - our perceptions of that status will always be lacking.
 
 DM> specific "perfection" within our understanding it, then it becomes
 DM> a meaningless term. Using your cascading irrational logic, your God
 DM> is not even perfect (unless by VERY arbitrary definition, which you
 DM> do not allow me).
 
 DM> The great treasury of the powerful mind is an ability to win
 DM> ...even if/when a little bit wrong-
 
 MB> And I'm not really certain where your heading here...
 
     I don't think we are heading anywhere unless we adopt
     a negotiated definition. I would accept your "unattainable"
     if you would agree on *NO* EXCEPTIONS.........yes !!!.
                            ^^
                          oo ... Dave
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