++> Day Brown wrote to  David Martorana on "Inner Fatherland"
 
 DM>> The one, Carl, reaching down into hell and back into pagan
 DM>> histories to teach God an Aryan thing or two; the other, Chardin,
 DM>> of equal reach, but forward and up to share our scientific futures
 DM>> with heaven. Both men of (bent) genius, one of darkness and one of
 DM>> light, we might enjoy such tensions of possible thought.
 
 DB> Why darkness? I see the different viewpoint all right, but do not
 DB> know that it is darker except that it is so unexplored.
 
     "Mostly" the habit  of "God things" above (light) and "pagan
     things below (dark) ................a convenience of convention.
     Secondly,  some players sampled out of historical myth like Jesus,
     Odysseus .....and even Jung descended ...DOWN-DARK-INTO..........!
 
 DM>> FORGOTTEN MEMORY: "cryptomnesia"
 DM>> There is a great deal made of "forgotten memory" and that such
 DM>> memory is mixed with "present memory" and "historical memory
 DM>> [genetic?]"
 
 DB> Damn good question.  The Semites seem to have been a small race
 DB> in a place that was constantly overrun, whereas the Aryans were
 DB> a populous race from a large area that did a lot of overrunning.
 DB> I can see where the former learned to accept the will of outside
 DB> forces, whereas the latter learned to cope with the exercise of
 DB> the will, and accept the responsibility for action- 'The buck
 DB> stops here'.
 
     Appreciate your size and geography correlation but see the Semitic
     external obsessions and the Aryan internal obsessions as equally
     beyond my measure to play.
 
     Assuming some major strands of memory do contain ""genetic""
     insights (symbolic?): we cannot be sure that  *IF* a test could be
     devised, the genetic memory responses of Aryan and Semite could be
     differentiated.  And if could, it would be difficult to consider
     "actual experience" or "result of actual experience" recorded
     (also how much generational enforcement is contained to amplify the
     kin collective memory mass). ........Not simple ...I think.
 
 DB> Given the evidence of the Spartan eugenics experiment started by
 DB> Lycurgus, only seven generations will produce profound effects,
 DB> and with the above, we have hundreds.
 
 DM>> trancing, he was initiated into a most ancient of mystery cults...
 DM>> "the Mithric Deification" "Deus Leontocephalus".
 
 DB> I think this is Persian, not Greek. The Greek mystery religion was
 DB> pretty much destroyed by Justinian and the Byzantines, whereas the
 DB> Persian remained outside the Byzantine empire long enough to leave
 DB> traces in Afganistan, India, and Turkestan.  Nevertheless, I would
 DB> love to see what he had to say.
 
      The book laid out six essential mystery religion complexes
      accepted within, and practiced during, the encompassed Greek
      high period of the "mysteria" 4th to 1st century BC-
      Like Rome, the Greeks seem "curiosity-tolorant" of god systems
      that did not "DEMAND" overt public loyalty. J's view saw all the
      mysteries as essentially similar enough in reach; purpose; and
      initiation, to be near equal.  His self deification experience
      (dangerous trance into the unconscious) [1913], had a profound
      turn-a-round effect on the rest of his life.
 
      1. Mithra        THE SIX MYSTERY oriented GROUPS
      2. Dionysus
      3. Eleusis
      4. Isis
      5. Sabazios
      6. Kabeiroi
 
  Seems the 19th century European authors on the "mysteria" (J's primary
  sources during his most impressionable years) went into it all
  some deeper. i.e. [Friedrich Nietzsche] taught at University of Basel
  BEFORE turning to philosophy. From him J first learned of Dionysian
  mystery cults and Zoroastrianism, [Friedrich Creuzer], 4 vol. Symbolik
  und Mythologie der altan Volker besonders der Griechen (required reading
  for all J's assistants), [Albrecht Dieterich], [Richard Reitzenstein],
  [Franz Cumont], and [Karl Hendrik De Jong]. I've left out some, the long
  European titles and capsules.
 
     Though very into the "TRANCE" experience ("active imagination"),
     into other-conscious, J was VERY much against chemical induction
     of such.
                             _ _
                             C J  ...  Dave
                              ^
     NOTE: The Aryan "occult" had many (DARK) crossover points into
           the Nazi underworld ......but that is a whole nother and
           complex of issue.
 
 
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