Jane Kelley wrote in a message to Sue Alexander:
SA>     The hospital I work at sees much more than its share of alcoholics 
nd
SA>drug addicts, Jane.  Maggots may do short term help for these people and 
may
SA>very well help some of them who are scared enough by the incident to do
SA>something to help themselves, but for many their own suicidal tendencies 
wil
SA>get them (somehow) in the end.
JK> "some of them who are scared enough be the incident to do something
JK> to help themselves" indicates  a complete lack of information
JK> concerning addiction.  And I will bet that there is no one on staff
JK> at your hosptial who is a specialist in dealing with addicts.  The
JK> closest will be some A.A. or N.A. group that come in.
     I think this is rather short-sighted on your part, Jane, to presume that 
because I used that quote the hospital I work with does not have adequate 
addiction counseling.
     I am not an addiction counselor.  From what I understand, people who are 
addicted often need a defining incident in their life to even recognize the 
need for help.  I was suggesting that using maggots may be such an 
incident...perhaps you disagree.  (in fact you probably do ;( )
JK> You cannot scare an addict into stopping.
     However, an addict may find that something is scary enough to go seek 
help.
JK> You cannot threaten an addict into stopping.
     Did I ever say you can?
JK> One can, however, MOTIVATE an addict when properly taught how to do
JK> so. "their own suicidal tendencies" is a blanket statement that just
JK> is hogwash.  It connotates a mental health stigma on your part that
JK> these people simply do not deserve.
     They deserve the baggage you place on them in every post you make here 
that refers to addicts?  Get real, Jane.
     These people are often looking for a way out...sometimes the effect is 
long-term suicide.  What do you call an addict that refuses assistance to 
control severe diabetes while he goes out and drinks and uses drugs? What do 
you call an alcoholic with essentially no liver function who continues to get 
drunk every available chance?
JK> That is what they need long before the maggot stage of physical
JK> treatment.
     Jane, this is getting just plain annoying.  You are seeing one or two 
things that I say that you don't agree with, then you go into a complete 
tirade as to addiction and help (not unlike other messages here).  Not every 
problem in life is due to actual or genetic addiction, and not every addict 
will fit into your glorified nitch.  I will be dropping this thread as of 
this message.
     Get a life Jane.
     Sue
... Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.
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