On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 05:28:36 +0000 (UTC), 
John Edser  wrote:

[snip]

> I believe it was Darwin's grandfather, Erasmus 
> Darwin  who attempted by inevitably failed to produce 
> a theory of evolution just using variation.
> Non testable theories of evolution abounded before 
> Darwin came up with a testable view. Quite obviously,
> variation without selection cannot produce evolution
> any more than anarchy without rules can produce a social 
> system. Selection without drift can produce evolution but
> drift without selection, cannot. No form of variation
> can alone, produce evolution, period. To suggest that
> random variation can produce evolution is simply, absurd.
> What has happened here is that gene centric Neo Darwinists
> have yet again misused over simplified models of evolution.
> Drift cannot compete against selection to cause evolution
> because drift is entirely dependent on selection to
> cause any evolution in-the-first-place. Drift as
> temporal variation _compliments_  selection it does not 
> replace selection. Unfortunately Neo Darwinism is littered 
> with examples of simplified oversimplified model misuse.

John, you do not understand the process of random genetic drift
in spite of the fact that it has been explained to you many times
over the past few years.

You've made up your mind that drift = variation and you keep
repeating that false mantra over, and over, and over .....

It's impossible to have an intelligent discussion with you
because your mind is closed to the possiblity that you might
be wrong.



Larry Moran
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