>>Ray Gwinn passed away a few years ago, and took his secrets into the 
>>grave.
>
>So that *is* what happened!  I was wondering if that were the case
>(he didn't look terribly healthy in the picture I saw of him).
>
 KS> I wonder how you guys still can manage to ignore this fact.

maybe because many of us don't live in newsgroups like some do... i used to
but that was before i found a life outside the one-eyed monster i'd been
living with for 20+ years...

 KS> There was though a discussion on this matter a few years ago in
 KS> severall  groups. IIRC the eCS Yahou group was one of them.

i don't carry that group...

FWIW: this should have been big news all over Fidonet, where ray is/was
very famous for his work... no one has seen or heard anything of it... can
someone point to an obituary, please?

)\/(ark