From: "John Beamish" 

Both, actually.

On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 06:33:52 -0400, Phil Payne
 wrote:

>> But hey the US is a young Democracy & has basically hit the stage of the
>> rotten boroughs. Eventually people will get steamed up about it but
>> right now getting the party as a whole (i.e. both it's Democrat &
>> republican factions) to vote for democracy is a bit like getting a
>> turkey to vote for Christmas.
>
> Thanksgiving, laddie.  Thanksgiving.
>
>

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