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Bush was the first president to fund stem cell research at all. I guess =
he shouldn't have? And Gary is right, this breakthrough (if it even is =
that ultimately) has nothing to do with destroying embryos, rather it's = a
potentially solid argument for alternatives instead.
  "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message =
news:4546d47c{at}w3.nls.net...
  Bush limited federal funds for stem cell research in 2001 to the =
limited number of stem cells created before that date. In effect Bush = did
curtail research on non-embryonic stem cells

    "Gary Britt"  wrote in message =
news:4546d0be{at}w3.nls.net...

    Yep, it was Chord Blood stem cells NOT embryonic stem cells.

    From your link.   The tissue was created from blood taken from =
babies' umbilical cords just a few minutes after birth.

    There is no federal funding ban on NON-Embryonic stem cell research, =
but don't let the facts get in the way or your politics.  Michael J. = Fox,
nor any of the MSM do.



    Gary Britt wrote:=20

      Did they use EMBRYONIC stem cells?  Bush is the first president to =
approve ANY federal funding for embryonic stem cells.  He approved for =
existing cell lines.  There is no law against embyonic stem cell =
research.  If it was promising it would be funded privately.=20

      So far all that embryonic stem cell research has produced are =
brain tumors and absolutely no, zero, nada cures of anything.=20

      There have been successes with chord blood stem cells and adult =
stem cells.  Neither of which are banned from federal funding.=20

      The lefties like to quote stories about successful treatments from =
Chord blood and adult stem cell research, and then try to confuse =
readers/listeners as though that says something about embryonic stem =
cells research.=20

      Embryonic stem cell research is not banned, just not federally =
funded. This debate is about people who want money from the government =
and not about finding cures.=20

      Gary=20



      Rich Gauszka wrote:=20

        Rush Limbaugh will now proclaim British Scientists evil and in =
league with Michael J Fox in their diabolical attempt to embarrass the =
Bushies over stem cell research.=20

        =
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_=
id=3D413551&in_page_id=3D1770&ico=3DHomepage&icl=3DTabModule&icc=3DNEWS&c=
t=3D5=20
        British scientists have grown the world's first artificial liver =
from stem cells in a breakthrough that will one day provide entire = organs
for transplant.=20

        The technique that created the 'mini-liver', currently the size =
of a one pence piece, will be developed to create a full-size = functioning liver.=20

        Described as a 'Eureka moment' by the Newcastle University =
researchers, the tissue was created from blood taken from babies' =
umbilical cords just a few minutes after birth.=20

        As it stands, the mini organ can be used to test new drugs, =
preventing disasters such as the recent 'Elephant Man' drug trial. Using =
lab-grown liver tissue would also reduce the number of animal =
experiments.=20

        Within five years, pieces of artificial tissue could be used to =
repair livers damaged by injury, disease, alcohol abuse and paracetamol = overdose=20





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Bush was the first president to fund =
stem cell=20
research at all. I guess he shouldn't have? And Gary is right, this = breakthrough=20
(if it even is that ultimately) has nothing to do with destroying = embryos,=20
rather it's a potentially solid argument for alternatives =
instead.

  "Rich Gauszka" <gauszka{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:gauszka{at}hotmail.com">gauszka{at}hotmail.com>
wrote =
in message=20
  news:4546d47c{at}w3.nls.net...
  Bush limited federal funds for stem =
cell research=20
  in 2001 to the
limited number =
of stem=20
  cells created before that date. In effect Bush did curtail research on =

  non-embryonic stem cells
   
  
    "Gary Britt" <glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=">mailto:glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com">glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=
>=20
    wrote in message news:4546d0be{at}w3.nls.net...Yep,=20
    it was Chord Blood stem cells NOT embryonic stem cells.From =
your=20
    link.   The tissue was created from blood taken from =
babies'=20
    umbilical cords just a few minutes after
birth.There is =
no=20
    federal funding ban on NON-Embryonic stem cell research, but don't =
let the=20
    facts get in the way or your politics.  Michael J. Fox, nor any =
of the=20
    MSM do.Gary Britt wrote:=20
    
Did =
they use=20
      EMBRYONIC stem cells?  Bush is the first president to approve =
ANY=20
      federal funding for embryonic stem cells.  He approved for =
existing=20
      cell lines.  There is no law against embyonic stem cell=20
      research.  If it was promising it would be funded privately.=20
      So far all that embryonic stem cell research has produced =
are=20
      brain tumors and absolutely no, zero, nada cures of anything.=20
      There have been successes with chord blood stem cells and =
adult=20
      stem cells.  Neither of which are banned from federal =
funding.=20
      The lefties like to quote stories about successful =
treatments from=20
      Chord blood and adult stem cell research, and then try to confuse=20
      readers/listeners as though that says something about embryonic =
stem cells=20
      research. Embryonic stem cell research is not
banned, just =
not=20
      federally funded. This debate is about people who want money from =
the=20
      government and not about finding cures. Gary =
Rich=20
      Gauszka wrote: 
      Rush Limbaugh will now
proclaim British=20
        Scientists evil and in league with Michael J Fox in their =
diabolical=20
        attempt to embarrass the Bushies over stem cell research. =
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_=
article_id=3D413551&in_page_id=3D1770&ico=3DHomepage&icl=3DTa=
bModule&icc=3DNEWS&ct=3D5">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/=
articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=3D413551&in_page_id=3D1770&=
ico=3DHomepage&icl=3DTabModule&icc=3DNEWS&ct=3D5=20
        British scientists have grown the world's first artificial =
liver=20
        from stem cells in a breakthrough that will one day provide =
entire=20
        organs for transplant. The technique that created the=20
        'mini-liver', currently the size of a one pence piece, will be =
developed=20
        to create a full-size functioning liver. Described as a =
'Eureka=20
        moment' by the Newcastle University researchers, the tissue was =
created=20
        from blood taken from babies' umbilical cords just a few minutes =
after=20
        birth. As it stands, the mini organ can be used to test =
new=20
        drugs, preventing disasters such as the recent 'Elephant Man' =
drug=20
        trial. Using lab-grown liver tissue would also reduce the number =
of=20
        animal experiments. Within five years, pieces of =
artificial=20
        tissue could be used to repair livers damaged by injury, =
disease,=20
        alcohol abuse and paracetamol overdose=20
    =


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