[ Quoting Darrell Salter to Scott Little ] 
 DS> Apparently not.  Do you know what Java is?  Think of ActiveX without
 DS> monopolistic tendencies.
 SL> Java is an interplatform reincarnation of C - which is already
 SL> falling apart.
 DS> Nonsense.  Care to spew the MS propaganda that leads you to make such
 DS> a claim?
I read it in an article about Java and small PCs. Java was designed to have
very few CPU-specific components. This feature of it's original design is
fading fast.
 SL> And exactly what's wrong with a company making a
 SL> standard for it's own products? You don't see Ford and Toyota using
 SL> the same engines do you? 
 DS> If it only works for that company, how is it a "standard"?
Standard: the quality of being constistant.
If it's the same for the majority of MS products, it's a MS standard. I never
said it was an industry standard.
 DS> for whom?  MS or the consumer?  Telling me that it is acceptable
MS. I do it myself. I write/am writing around 7 BBS doors, all of which are
being written according to the one STANDARD method of doing things. It both
makes it easier to program, as well as making my programs have a uniformity
about their operation. The only difference between me and MS is that I
actually update the standard components. MS just write new stuff over the
old.
 DS> practices, at the expense of consumer freedom to make a CHOICE, also
 DS> known as monopolistic.
It's not monopolistic. Monopolistic is when a company deliberatly sets out
to eliminate all competition, using methods that the competition can't
work around (ie. by buying them out). MS just say "this is our software. If
you don't like it, WE DON'T CARE".
 DS> MS has been this way all along, and I find the practice despicable. 
 DS> They are attempting to remove your ability to make a CHOICE
That's the biggest load of crap I have heard for a week. If they were
removing the consumer's ability to make a choice, they would be buying out
competition left and right, then merging the old products with the rest of
the MS products. Just because MS saturate the market with MS doesn't mean
they are forcing anyone to buy the stuff. I don't.
 DS> inspired by greed.  Java is an attempt to allow cross-platform
 DS> software development so that consumers may have a CHOICE as to which
And it is failing!
IMHO, Java is a RISC concept, and it can only work on /generic/ RISC based
machines. In the CISC universe, decent programs can only be written when
using code specifically for that CPU.
 DS> operating system they may use with a piece of software.  This scares
 DS> the hell out of MS, and rightly so, their operating systems are
 DS> terrible.
I think they are just too lazy. I can fix MS problems in a few hours. All I
need to do is grab a blowtorch and eliminate all the old code. MS will just
be forced to write the programs properly, rather than insert new code in with
the old code over and over.
Even with my own programs, it's a big job to write the main parts of it over
again, but it's sometimes just the only way to get the job done properly. 
 DS> ActiveX is MS's attempt to restrict such development to
 DS> work only with MS products.  MS consumers are being screwed over by
 DS> the very company they support.
ActiveX is the best way to program for the majority of the world's desktop
PCs - which are CISC and run Microsoft OS'. As I said before, Java is 
esigned
for RISC CPUs (even though the design on the 80x86 CPU family allows Java
code to run slightly faster than on non-Java specific RISC chips - but it
still does not make full use of the CISC CPU).
Regards,
 - Scott
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