John W Edser wrote:

> postA3

>>BOH:-
>>Good, we agree again.
> 
> 
> JE:-
> We do not agree as to why
> the rule cannot be used to separate
> OFM from OFA.  This is why this
> discussion continues.
> 
We also seem to disagree on whether anyone has tried to use Hamilton's 
rule to separate OFM from OFA.  You are claiming that it has, but have 
still not provided any evidence for this.  So, I'm asking you again - 
please provide the evidence.  Cite papers!  Books!

> 
>>JE:-
>>Hamilton's rule _cannot_ separate OFA from OFM
>>
>>>but you agreed that the rule was used to support OFA when
>>>group selection failed to do so.
> 
> 
> BOH:-
> 
>>Indeed.  Altruism is one explanation for traits which were explained by
>>group selection.
> 
> 
> JE:-
> The other is OFM which requires no altruism at all
> and no hypothetical gene level of selection. This is
> why the rule was misused to support OFA when
> group selection failed to be able to do so. IF as
> you have agreed , that at  all times OFA OR OFM
> could be operating within the rule then, you may be misusing
> OFM to support  OFA whenever you use the rule
> to support OFA, no exceptions.
> 
> _________________________________________
> Do you agree that you cannot use OFM to support
> OFA?
> _________________________________________
> 
Of course - they are mutually exclusive (by definition).  This should be 
obvious.  Again, where is the evidence that this has ever been done? 
Where are the cases of mis-estimation of c?

Bob

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