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I actually heard Rush's original broadcast. To say that what he said has =
been mischaracterized, is to make a great understatement; but in seeing =
what the rest of the media chooses to air, it's understandable that any =
casual observer would think Rush is an ogre too
Paraphrasing Rush (and I find it amusing that I actually heard the =
broadcast, as I don't listen to him very often) and not necessarily in =
proper chronological order, he said, "Wow, I've seen Fox in Boston
Legal = and I like him and that show, but he seems perfectly normal in the
= episodes I've seen, so he must be either acting or off his medications =
in that commercial."=20
Then it turns out in Fox's own book, he relates that he went off his = meds
to testify in front of congress so they'd get an accurate picture = of the
devastating disease. So, I'm just not getting what Rush said that = was so
offensive
"Rich Gauszka" wrote in message =
news:4546e605$1{at}w3.nls.net...
Actually Rush Limbaugh is the one that went over the top with his =
statement that Fox was acting with his disease.. I was just lampooning =
Rush. Limbaugh has every right to criticize the message but it really =
was low to make fun of Fox's predicament. And like the weasel ( I should =
apologize for offending weasels ) Rush is he avoided and debate with Fox =
when he was invited this weekend
"Mark" wrote in message =
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Bob, Rich was the one that went over the top on this one: "Rush =
Limbaugh will now proclaim British Scientists evil and in league with =
Michael J Fox in their diabolical attempt to embarrass the Bushies over =
stem cell research."=20
If scientists want to do embryonic stem cell research no one is =
stopping them, they're just going to have to find someone besides us to =
pay for it. Maybe Branson would be better advised to fund it instead of =
getting involved in the global warming nonsense to the tune of $3B?=20
Actually, that's a bad example, as I believe Branson is wisely =
funding alternative fuels with his donation, rather than throwing money =
into the sky, like the alarmists want our governments to do, maybe Soros =
will fund it? Or Gates? Or Buffet?=20
How about too, that expected 1,900 pounds a year increased tax =
proposal for every UK family to fund the politicians global warming =
playground? =20
"Robert G Lewis" wrote in message =
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Except the articles quoted so far do seem to make the distinction. =
There does seem to be major differences in the usefulness of the =
different types of stem cells with the Embryonic being the most =
versatile.
"Mark" wrote in message =
news:4546decf$1{at}w3.nls.net...
Aha Bob, you found me out, I was distorting the record, thus =
falsely making Bush look good.=20
Hmm, kind of like when adult stem cell or cord blood research =
successes are splashed around indiscriminately to confuse people and try =
to make Bush falsely look like an ogre.
"Robert G Lewis" wrote in message =
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Be sort of hard for many presidents before Bush to approve =
stem cell research. First stem cells were only isolated in late 98
=
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/18/AR2006071=
800722.html
I suspect the alternatives would never have been discovered if =
the original embryonic research had not occurred
"Mark" wrote in message =
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Bush was the first president to fund stem cell research at =
all. I guess he shouldn't have? And Gary is right, this breakthrough (if =
it even is that ultimately) has nothing to do with destroying embryos, =
rather it's a potentially solid argument for alternatives instead.
"Rich Gauszka" wrote in message =
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Bush limited federal funds for stem cell research in 2001 =
to the limited number of stem cells created before that date. In effect =
Bush did curtail research on non-embryonic stem cells
"Gary Britt" wrote in =
message news:4546d0be{at}w3.nls.net...
Yep, it was Chord Blood stem cells NOT embryonic stem =
cells.
From your link. The tissue was created from blood =
taken from babies' umbilical cords just a few minutes after birth.
There is no federal funding ban on NON-Embryonic stem =
cell research, but don't let the facts get in the way or your politics. =
Michael J. Fox, nor any of the MSM do.
Gary Britt wrote:=20
Did they use EMBRYONIC stem cells? Bush is the first =
president to approve ANY federal funding for embryonic stem cells. He =
approved for existing cell lines. There is no law against embyonic stem =
cell research. If it was promising it would be funded privately.=20
So far all that embryonic stem cell research has =
produced are brain tumors and absolutely no, zero, nada cures of = anything.=20
There have been successes with chord blood stem cells =
and adult stem cells. Neither of which are banned from federal funding. =
The lefties like to quote stories about successful =
treatments from Chord blood and adult stem cell research, and then try = to
confuse readers/listeners as though that says something about = embryonic
stem cells research.=20
Embryonic stem cell research is not banned, just not =
federally funded. This debate is about people who want money from the =
government and not about finding cures.=20
Gary=20
Rich Gauszka wrote:=20
Rush Limbaugh will now proclaim British Scientists =
evil and in league with Michael J Fox in their diabolical attempt to =
embarrass the Bushies over stem cell research.=20
=
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_=
id=3D413551&in_page_id=3D1770&ico=3DHomepage&icl=3DTabModule&icc=3DNEWS&c=
t=3D5=20
British scientists have grown the world's first =
artificial liver from stem cells in a breakthrough that will one day =
provide entire organs for transplant.=20
The technique that created the 'mini-liver', =
currently the size of a one pence piece, will be developed to create a =
full-size functioning liver.=20
Described as a 'Eureka moment' by the Newcastle =
University researchers, the tissue was created from blood taken from =
babies' umbilical cords just a few minutes after birth.=20
As it stands, the mini organ can be used to test new =
drugs, preventing disasters such as the recent 'Elephant Man' drug = trial.
Using lab-grown liver tissue would also reduce the number of = animal
experiments.=20
Within five years, pieces of artificial tissue could =
be used to repair livers damaged by injury, disease, alcohol abuse and =
paracetamol overdose=20
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I actually heard Rush's original =
broadcast. To say=20
that what he said has been mischaracterized, is to make a great = understatement;=20
but in seeing what the rest of the media chooses to air, it's = understandable=20
that any casual observer would think Rush is an ogre too =
<g>
Paraphrasing Rush (and I find it =
amusing that I=20
actually heard the broadcast, as I don't listen to him very often) and = not=20
necessarily in proper chronological order, he said, "Wow, I've seen Fox = in=20
Boston Legal and I like him and that show, but he seems perfectly normal = in the=20
episodes I've seen, so he must be either acting or off his medications = in that=20
commercial."
Then it turns out in Fox's own
book, he =
relates=20
that he went off his meds to testify in front of congress so they'd get = an=20
accurate picture of the devastating disease. So, I'm just not getting = what Rush=20
said that was so offensive <unrelated, but I don't get was so =
offensive about=20
the blonde chick telling Harold Ford to call her =
either>
"Rich Gauszka" <gauszka{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:gauszka{at}hotmail.com">gauszka{at}hotmail.com>
wrote =
in message=20
news:4546e605$1{at}w3.nls.net...
Actually Rush Limbaugh is the one =
that went over=20
the top with his statement that Fox was acting with his disease.. I =
was just=20
lampooning Rush. Limbaugh has every right to criticize the =
message but=20
it really was low to make fun of Fox's predicament. And like the =
weasel ( I=20
should apologize for offending weasels ) Rush is he avoided and debate =
with=20
Fox when he was invited this weekend
"Mark" <nomail{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:nomail{at}hotmail.com">nomail{at}hotmail.com>
wrote =
in message=20
news:4546e343$1{at}w3.nls.net...
Bob, Rich was the one that went =
over the top on=20
this one: "Rush Limbaugh =
will now=20
proclaim British Scientists evil and in league with Michael J Fox in =
their=20
diabolical attempt to embarrass the Bushies over stem cell =
research."=20
If scientists want to do embryonic =
stem cell=20
research no one is stopping them, they're just going to have to find =
someone=20
besides us to pay for it. Maybe Branson would be better advised to =
fund it=20
instead of getting involved in the global warming nonsense to the =
tune of=20
$3B?
Actually, that's a bad example, as =
I believe=20
Branson is wisely funding alternative fuels with his donation, =
rather than=20
throwing money into the sky, like the alarmists want our governments =
to do,=20
maybe Soros will fund it? Or Gates? Or Buffet?
How about too, that expected 1,900 =
pounds a=20
year increased tax proposal for every UK family to fund the =
politicians=20
global warming playground? <wow, maybe now the regular folk =
that=20
aren't paying attention will wake up, smell the coffee (or tea =
as the=20
UK case may be) and tell them to get over themselves -- when they =
start=20
picking the pockets of the public directly with their alarmism, it's =
near=20
the end game>
"Robert G Lewis" <r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net>">mailto:r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net">r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net>
= wrote in=20
message news:4546e0f1{at}w3.nls.net...
Except the articles quoted so far do seem to =
make the=20
distinction. There does seem to be major differences in the =
usefulness of=20
the different types of stem cells with the Embryonic being the =
most=20
versatile.
"Mark" <nomail{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:nomail{at}hotmail.com">nomail{at}hotmail.com>
=
wrote in=20
message news:4546decf$1{at}w3.nls.net...
Aha Bob, you found me out, =
<g> I=20
was distorting the record, thus falsely making Bush look good.=20
Hmm, kind of like when adult =
stem cell or=20
cord blood research successes are splashed around =
indiscriminately=20
to confuse people and try to make Bush falsely look like an =
ogre.
"Robert G Lewis" <r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net>=20">mailto:r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net">r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net>=20
wrote in message news:4546dd06{at}w3.nls.net...
Be sort of hard for many
presidents before =
Bush to=20
approve stem cell research. First stem cells were only =
isolated in=20
late 98
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/18/A=
R2006071800722.html">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article=
/2006/07/18/AR2006071800722.html
I suspect the alternatives would never =
have been=20
discovered if the original embryonic research had not=20
occurred
"Mark" <nomail{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:nomail{at}hotmail.com">nomail{at}hotmail.com>
wrote in=20
message news:4546d7de$1{at}w3.nls.net...
Bush was the first =
president to fund=20
stem cell research at all. I guess he shouldn't have? And =
Gary is=20
right, this breakthrough (if it even is that ultimately) has =
nothing=20
to do with destroying embryos, rather it's a potentially =
solid=20
argument for alternatives instead.
"Rich Gauszka" <gauszka{at}hotmail.com>=20">mailto:gauszka{at}hotmail.com">gauszka{at}hotmail.com>=20
wrote in message news:4546d47c{at}w3.nls.net...
Bush limited federal =
funds for stem=20
cell research in 2001 to the=20
limited number of stem cells created before that date. In =
effect=20
Bush did curtail research on non-embryonic stem=20
cells
"Gary Britt" <glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=">mailto:glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com">glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=
>=20
wrote in message news:4546d0be{at}w3.nls.net...Yep,=20
it was Chord Blood stem cells NOT embryonic stem=20
cells.From your
link. The tissue =
was=20
created from blood taken from babies' umbilical cords =
just a few=20
minutes after birth.There is
no federal =
funding ban=20
on NON-Embryonic stem cell research, but don't let the =
facts get=20
in the way or your politics. Michael J. Fox, nor =
any of=20
the MSM do.Gary
Britt wrote:=20
Did=20
they use EMBRYONIC stem cells? Bush is the first =
president to approve ANY federal funding for embryonic =
stem=20
cells. He approved for existing cell =
lines. There=20
is no law against embyonic stem cell research. =
If it was=20
promising it would be funded privately.
So far =
all=20
that embryonic stem cell research has produced are =
brain=20
tumors and absolutely no, zero, nada cures of =
anything.=20
There have been successes with chord blood =
stem cells=20
and adult stem cells. Neither of which are =
banned from=20
federal funding. The lefties like to quote =
stories=20
about successful treatments from Chord blood and adult =
stem=20
cell research, and then try to confuse =
readers/listeners as=20
though that says something about embryonic stem cells=20
research. Embryonic stem cell research is not =
banned,=20
just not federally funded. This debate is about people =
who=20
want money from the government and not about finding =
cures.=20
Gary
Rich Gauszka wrote:
Rush Limbaugh will now =
proclaim=20
British Scientists evil and in league with Michael J =
Fox in=20
their diabolical attempt to embarrass the Bushies =
over stem=20
cell research. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_=
article_id=3D413551&in_page_id=3D1770&ico=3DHomepage&icl=3DTa=
bModule&icc=3DNEWS&ct=3D5">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/=
articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=3D413551&in_page_id=3D1770&=
ico=3DHomepage&icl=3DTabModule&icc=3DNEWS&ct=3D5=20
British scientists have grown the world's first=20
artificial liver from stem cells in a breakthrough =
that will=20
one day provide entire organs for transplant. =
The=20
technique that created the 'mini-liver', currently =
the size=20
of a one pence piece, will be developed to create a=20
full-size functioning liver. Described as a =
'Eureka=20
moment' by the Newcastle University researchers, the =
tissue=20
was created from blood taken from babies' umbilical =
cords=20
just a few minutes after birth. As it =
stands, the=20
mini organ can be used to test new drugs, preventing =
disasters such as the recent 'Elephant Man' drug =
trial.=20
Using lab-grown liver tissue would also reduce the =
number of=20
animal experiments. Within five years, =
pieces of=20
artificial tissue could be used to repair livers =
damaged by=20
injury, disease, alcohol abuse and paracetamol =
overdose=20
=
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