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Nothing would pass your smell test if you thought it would help the = Democrats Gary.
"Gary Britt" wrote in message =
news:454ab43a{at}w3.nls.net...
Sorry, I was a bit unclear on a couple things that you corrected me =
on. I still think its illegal, and if not illegal it should be. If =
these people really wanted to reach the poor in those communities they =
would do it a grocery stores, liquor stores, and churches in those =
communities, and they wouldn't have to do it only around the time of a =
major national election.
Do these people do this flu shot stuff last year? Have they ever done =
during a LOCAL ONLY election?
It doesn't pass the smell test.
Gary
Robert G Lewis wrote:=20
The Mayor did not determine that it was against the law,=20
"There was no political motive whatsoever to do it,"said Mayor Bill =
White, the former head of the Texas Democratic Party. He said he ended =
the program Wednesday, after it provided 1,300 flu shots over three = days,
because he didn't want"to spend more money in defending a baseless =
lawsuit than we're giving away in vaccine or allow anybody to question =
the integrity of the political process."
it's not illegal , NOTHING is given for the VOTE, there is NO =
REQUIREMENT TO VOTE as was pointed out with references
It's not a single day event, it was to be through Friday, not on =
election day.as has been pointed out, yet you still make this false = claim.
"Gary Britt" wrote in message =
news:454aa54b{at}w3.nls.net...
Its still ILLEGAL. The county clerk said there was no problem IF =
it was not against the law. The Mayor rightly determined it IS against = the law.
Then you quote this bullshit from someone else:
Polls are an ideal place to access large numbers of people who =
need the vaccine."I'm disappointed this has happened,"he said.
So is the local grocery store, church, liquor store. In fact much =
more likely to get MORE people at those places than a single day polling =
place event. If it was really about serving the poor flu shots, they =
wouldn't be REQUIRED to do it ONLY at polling places on election day. =
How are the drunks who don't vote supposed to get their flu shot???? =
Don't they deserve a flu shot? In fact aren't they more in need of a = flu
shot than people with enough sense to vote? Want to get the poor = drunks
set up outside the local liquor store or 7-eleven.
Its obvious this doesn't have a damn thing to do with flu shots =
for the poor from the perspective of the people paying for the program. =
Hence the "funds only for polling place flu shots".
Gary
Robert G Lewis wrote:=20
During early voting ,NOT on election day and apparently cleared =
by the REPUBLICAN County Clerk and the REPUBLICAN Secretary of State. NO =
REQUIREMENT TO VOTE in order to get the shots. Just have to over the age =
of 50.
=
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Nov02/0,4670,VoteandVaccinate,00..html
Dr. Douglas Shenson, the director of the flu-shot program for =
the foundation, said he does not know of problems with the program in = any
other city.
"It's an entirely nonpartisan and nonpolitical activity,"Shenson =
said."It's not a get-out-the-vote campaign. It's a get-out-the-vaccine
= campaign."
Polls are an ideal place to access large numbers of people who =
need the vaccine."I'm disappointed this has happened,"he said.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/4298775.html
The "Vote and Vaccination" clinics are in Hispanic and black =
neighborhoods because studies show these ethnic groups are less likely = to
get flu shots, said Porfirio Villarreal, a spokesman for the city's =
health department.
"This has nothing to do with politics," he said. "It's an =
initiative to reach people who are at high risk and would not go to a =
doctor and clinic, but do take advantage of voting."
I expect you would also object to giving people rides to the =
polls , or handing out absentee ballots.
Why do you object to the local government setting up free flu =
shots in poor areas ? Why do you object to free flu shots for the poor ?
"Gary Britt" wrote
in message =
news:454a8cda{at}w3.nls.net...
You quoted the part that makes it illegal Robert:
Stephen Williams, the city health chief, and White said the terms of the =
Amerigroup grant required a tie to polling places in medically = undeserved=20
areas where populations are less likely to get vaccinations.
So the "private" funding REQUIRED that the flu shots be given out
ONLY = on election day, and
ONLY at polling places. Yeah that's a real intent to serve the poor =
there. Nothing to do with people canvassing neighborhoods and telling =
people come on down to vote, will drive you, and if you do come down and =
vote you can get a free flu shot.
What if a "private" group wanted to fund some "fun"
into the lives of = the poor neighborhoods where there isn't a lot of
"fun" and set up = funding for people to vote at a local liquor
store and get a free pint = of whiskey of their choice. Would you see any
problems with that? = Because that is EXACTLY the same as this bullshit
flu shot vote fraud = scheme.
Are you and Rich against poor people having some free fun and voting at =
liquor stores?
Gary
Robert G Lewis wrote:=20
From the article
Before launching the program, Williams' staff consulted with Republican=20
Harris County Clerk Beverly Kaufman, the county's top election official, =
who=20
offered support provided that the initiative complied with applicable = laws.
Kaufman's spokesman, David Beirne, said erroneous media reports might = have=20
fueled the perception that voting was related to receiving something of=20
value, which could violate the law. "It's not tied to the voting =
practice,=20
which is a critical element," he said. "We did not see anything
on its = face=20
to indicate that it would be a clear violation of election law."
Scott Haywood, a spokesman for Texas Secretary of State Roger Williams, = also=20
a Republican, said in an e-mail that "there is nothing wrong with a = health=20
clinic being located at the same site that voting is taking place," =
provided=20
that people weren't required to vote to get the service.
Stephen Williams, the city health chief, and White said the terms of the =
Amerigroup grant required a tie to polling places in medically = underserved=20
areas where populations are less likely to get vaccinations.
"Gary Britt" wrote in
message=20 news:454a79b3$1{at}w3.nls.net...
Its the law. Giving somebody booze, cigarettes, money, gold, or a flu =
shot is paying for somebody to vote and violated a very specific statute =
applicable to that region.
Its also bullshit they were trying to reach medically undeserved areas.=20
They were trying to pay people to come vote.
Gary
Phil Payne wrote:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/4304540.html
"Mayor Bill White ordered a halt Wednesday to the city health=20 department's
privately funded drive to offer flu vaccinations at early voting sites = in
predominantly Hispanic and black neighborhoods, amid conservative=20 criticism
that the effort would boost Democratic turnout.
About 1,300 flu shots were given to people age 50 or older in the past=20 three
days under the program, which didn't require the recipients to vote.=20 Health
officials said they were only trying to reach people in medically
underserved communities."
=20
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Nothing would pass your smell test if you
thought it =
would=20
help the Democrats Gary.
"Gary Britt" <glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=">mailto:glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com">glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=
>=20
wrote in message news:454ab43a{at}w3.nls.net...Sorry,=20
I was a bit unclear on a couple things that you corrected me on. =
I still=20
think its illegal, and if not illegal it should be. If these =
people=20
really wanted to reach the poor in those communities they would do it =
a=20
grocery stores, liquor stores, and churches in those communities, and =
they=20
wouldn't have to do it only around the time of a major national=20
election.Do these people do this flu shot stuff last =
year? Have=20
they ever done during a LOCAL ONLY election?It doesn't pass =
the smell=20
test.GaryRobert G Lewis wrote:=20
The Mayor did not determine that it was against =
the law,=20
"There was no political motive
whatsoever to do =
it,"said=20
Mayor Bill White, the former head of the Texas Democratic Party. He =
said he=20
ended the program Wednesday, after it provided 1,300 flu shots over =
three=20
days, because he didn't want"to spend more money in defending a =
baseless=20
lawsuit than we're giving away in vaccine or allow anybody to =
question the=20
integrity of the political process."
it's not illegal , NOTHING is given for the =
VOTE, =20
there is NO REQUIREMENT TO VOTE as was pointed out with=20
references
It's not a single day event, it was to be =
through Friday,=20
not on election day.as has been pointed out, yet you still make this =
false=20
claim.
"Gary Britt" <glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=">mailto:glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com">glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=
>=20
wrote in message news:454aa54b{at}w3.nls.net...
Its=20
still ILLEGAL. The county clerk said there was no problem IF =
it was=20
not against the law. The Mayor rightly determined it IS =
against the=20
law.Then you quote this bullshit from someone=20
else:Polls are an ideal place to =
access=20
large numbers of people who need the vaccine."I'm disappointed =
this has=20
happened,"he said.So is the local grocery
store, church, =
liquor=20
store. In fact much more likely to get MORE people at those =
places=20
than a single day polling place event. If it was really =
about=20
serving the poor flu shots, they wouldn't be REQUIRED to do it =
ONLY at=20
polling places on election day. How are the drunks who don't =
vote=20
supposed to get their flu shot???? Don't they deserve =
a flu=20
shot? In fact aren't they more in need of a flu shot than =
people=20
with enough sense to vote? Want to get the poor drunks set =
up=20
outside the local liquor store or 7-eleven.Its obvious =
this=20
doesn't have a damn thing to do with flu shots for the poor from =
the=20
perspective of the people paying for the program. Hence the =
"funds=20
only for polling place flu=20
shots".GaryRobert
G Lewis =
wrote:=20
During early voting ,NOT
on election =
day and=20
apparently cleared by the REPUBLICAN County Clerk and the =
REPUBLICAN=20
Secretary of State. NO REQUIREMENT TO VOTE in order to get the =
shots.=20
Just have to over the age of 50.
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Nov02/0,4670,VoteandVaccinate,00=
...html">http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Nov02/0,4670,VoteandVaccinate,0=
0..html
Dr. Douglas Shenson, the director of the =
flu-shot=20
program for the foundation, said he does not know of problems =
with the=20
program in any other city.
"It's an entirely nonpartisan and =
nonpolitical=20
activity,"Shenson said."It's not a get-out-the-vote campaign. =
It's a=20
get-out-the-vaccine campaign."
Polls are an ideal place to access large =
numbers of=20
people who need the vaccine."I'm disappointed this has =
happened,"he=20
said.
http:/" target="new">http:/=">http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/4298775.html">http:/=
/www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/4298775.html
The "Vote and
Vaccination" clinics are in =
Hispanic and=20
black neighborhoods because studies show these ethnic groups are =
less=20
likely to get flu shots, said Porfirio Villarreal, a spokesman =
for the=20
city's health department.
"This has nothing to do with
politics," he =
said. "It's=20
an initiative to reach people who are at high risk and would not =
go to a=20
doctor and clinic, but do take advantage of =
voting."
I expect you would also object to giving =
people rides=20
to the polls , or handing out absentee ballots.
Why do you object to the local government =
setting up=20
free flu shots in poor areas ? Why do you object to free flu =
shots for=20
the poor ?
"Gary Britt" <glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=">mailto:glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com">glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=
>=20
wrote in message news:454a8cda{at}w3.nls.net...You=20
quoted the part that makes it illegal Robert:Stephen Williams, the city health chief, and White
said the = terms of the=20
Amerigroup grant required a
tie to polling =
places in medically undeserved=20 areas
where populations are less likely to get vaccinations.
So the "private" funding
REQUIRED that the flu =
shots be given out ONLY on election day, and ONLY at polling places. Yeah
that's a real intent to serve the poor = there. Nothing to do with people
canvassing neighborhoods and telling = people come on down to vote, will
drive you, and if you do come down and = vote you can get a free flu shot.
What if a "private" group wanted to fund some "fun"
into the lives of = the poor neighborhoods where there isn't a lot of
"fun" and set up = funding for people to vote at a local liquor
store and get a free pint = of whiskey of their choice. Would you see any
problems with that? = Because that is EXACTLY the same as this bullshit
flu shot vote fraud = scheme.
Are you and Rich against poor people having some free fun and voting at =
liquor stores?
Gary
Robert
G Lewis wrote:=20
From the article
Before launching the program, Williams' staff consulted with Republican=20
Harris County Clerk Beverly Kaufman, the county's top election official, =
who=20
offered support provided that the initiative complied with applicable = laws.
Kaufman's spokesman, David Beirne, said erroneous media reports might = have=20
fueled the perception that voting was related to receiving something of=20
value, which could violate the law. "It's not tied to the voting =
practice,=20
which is a critical element," he said. "We did not see anything
on its = face=20
to indicate that it would be a clear violation of election law."
Scott Haywood, a spokesman for Texas Secretary of State Roger Williams, = also=20
a Republican, said in an e-mail that "there is nothing wrong with a = health=20
clinic being located at the same site that voting is taking place," =
provided=20
that people weren't required to vote to get the service.
Stephen Williams, the city health chief, and White said the terms of the =
Amerigroup grant required a tie to polling places in medically = underserved=20
areas where populations are less likely to get vaccinations.
"Gary Britt" <glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=">mailto:glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com"><glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=
> wrote in message=20
news:454a79b3$1{at}w3.nls.net...
Its the law. =
Giving somebody booze, cigarettes, money, gold, or a flu=20 shot is paying
for somebody to vote and violated a very specific statute =
applicable to that region.
Its also bullshit they were trying to reach medically undeserved areas.=20
They were trying to pay people to come vote.
Gary
Phil Payne wrote:
http:=">http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/4304540.html">http:=
//www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/4304540.html
"Mayor Bill White ordered a halt Wednesday to the city health=20 department's
privately funded drive to offer flu vaccinations at early voting sites = in
predominantly Hispanic and black neighborhoods, amid conservative=20 criticism
that the effort would boost Democratic turnout.
About 1,300 flu shots were given to people age 50 or older in the past=20 three
days under the program, which didn't require the recipients to vote.=20 Health
officials said they were only trying to reach people in medically
underserved communities."
=
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