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echo: philos
to: DAY BROWN
from: ANDREW CUMMINS
date: 1998-02-20 20:45:00
subject: Order and Chaos

 -=> Quoting Day Brown to Andrew Cummins <=-
 AC> It has never been demonstrated by observation or demonstrated by 
 AC> rigorous theory that self-replicating objects can gain complexity 
 AC> through a process of Natural Selection and Mutation (long term). 
 AC> Indeed, any such process appears to favor a reduction of complexity. 
 DB> Iterate fractle formulae on a computer; you can start with a very
 DB> simple formula such as A + B + C = D, where A= any integer, 
 DB> B= an integer to some power, C= a product of B+A, and then, D is 
 DB> used to replace one of the other terms in another calculation to 
 DB> derive a new 'D'.
Fractles are created with neither the aid of mutation nor
selection.  They deterministically follow from the formula
used to create them.  And, their complexity is easily debated.
Consider, pi is an infinite number of digits but it is still
a single point on a number line.
 DB> The DNA is an iteration of simple relationship, and the complex 
 DB> way it self replicates looks to be an example of this iteration 
 DB> over time that does indeed, gain complexity.
Observationally, we know that the genomes of species become
simpler, not more complex, over time (e.g. extinction).  DNA
replication is a copy process, not an iteration process.  And,
no one has shown that DNA can reduced in complexity through
fractile compression.
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