From: Gary Britt 

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So far all the breakthroughs are on stem cells other than embryonic stem
cells.  Embryonic stem cells have only broken through to cause brain
tumors.  Scientists working with embryonic stem cells say its at least 20
years off  IF and BEFORE anything comes of the embryonic stuff. Meanwhile
the chord blood and adult stem cell research are showing real break
troughs.

If there was real potential in embryonic stem cell research it would be
funded by private enterprise.  Their is no law against the research, just
that the feds aren't going to fund more brain tumor experiments.

Lastly the researches able to do federally funded embryonic stem cell
research have not come close to using up the existing lines that are
available and federally funded.

Stop with your spinning Rich.  It isn't working.

Gary


Rich Gauszka wrote:
> Imagine the breakthroughs if Bush actually funded the research
> properly. It was only in 1998 that scientists actually succeeded in
> growing human embryonic stem cells in culture so this first President
> to fund is a red herring.
>
>
>
>     "Mark"  wrote in
>     message news:4546d7de$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>     Bush was the first president to fund stem cell research at all. I
>     guess he shouldn't have? And Gary is right, this breakthrough (if
>     it even is that ultimately) has nothing to do with destroying
>     embryos, rather it's a potentially solid argument for alternatives
>     instead.
>
>         "Rich Gauszka"          > wrote in message
>         news:4546d47c{at}w3.nls.net...
>         Bush limited federal funds for stem cell research in 2001 to
>         the limited number of stem cells created before that date. In
>         effect Bush did curtail research on non-embryonic stem cells
>
>
>             "Gary Britt"              > wrote in message
>             news:4546d0be{at}w3.nls.net...
>
>             Yep, it was Chord Blood stem cells NOT embryonic stem cells.
>
>             From your link.   *The tissue was created from blood taken
>             from babies' umbilical cords just a few minutes after birth.*
>
>             There is no federal funding ban on NON-Embryonic stem cell
>             research, but don't let the facts get in the way or your
>             politics.  Michael J. Fox, nor any of the MSM do.
>
>
>
>             Gary Britt wrote:
>>
>>             Did they use EMBRYONIC stem cells?  Bush is the first
>>             president to approve ANY federal funding for embryonic
>>             stem cells.  He approved for existing cell lines.  There
>>             is no law against embyonic stem cell research.  If it was
>>             promising it would be funded privately.
>>
>>             So far all that embryonic stem cell research has produced
>>             are brain tumors and absolutely no, zero, nada cures of
>>             anything.
>>
>>             There have been successes with chord blood stem cells and
>>             adult stem cells.  Neither of which are banned from
>>             federal funding.
>>
>>             The lefties like to quote stories about successful
>>             treatments from Chord blood and adult stem cell research,
>>             and then try to confuse readers/listeners as though that
>>             says something about embryonic stem cells research.
>>
>>             Embryonic stem cell research is not banned, just not
>>             federally funded. This debate is about people who want
>>             money from the government and not about finding cures.
>>
>>             Gary
>>
>>
>>
>>             Rich Gauszka wrote:
>>>             Rush Limbaugh will now proclaim British Scientists evil
>>>             and in league with Michael J Fox in their diabolical
>>>             attempt to embarrass the Bushies over stem cell research.
>>>
>>>            
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?i
n_article_id=413551&in_page_id=1770&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=NEWS&ct=5
>>>
>>>             British scientists have grown the world's first
>>>             artificial liver from stem cells in a breakthrough that
>>>             will one day provide entire organs for transplant.
>>>
>>>             The technique that created the 'mini-liver', currently
>>>             the size of a one pence piece, will be developed to
>>>             create a full-size functioning liver.
>>>
>>>             Described as a 'Eureka moment' by the Newcastle
>>>             University researchers, the tissue was created from
>>>             blood taken from babies' umbilical cords just a few
>>>             minutes after birth.
>>>
>>>             As it stands, the mini organ can be used to test new
>>>             drugs, preventing disasters such as the recent 'Elephant
>>>             Man' drug trial. Using lab-grown liver tissue would also
>>>             reduce the number of animal experiments.
>>>
>>>             Within five years, pieces of artificial tissue could be
>>>             used to repair livers damaged by injury, disease,
>>>             alcohol abuse and paracetamol overdose
>>>
>>>
>


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So far all the breakthroughs are on stem cells other than embryonic stem
cells.  Embryonic stem cells have only broken through to cause
brain tumors.  Scientists working with embryonic stem cells say
its at least 20 years off  IF and BEFORE anything comes of the
embryonic stuff.  Meanwhile the chord blood and adult stem cell
research are showing real break troughs.

If there was real potential in embryonic stem cell research it would be
funded by private enterprise.  Their is no law against the
research, just that the feds aren't going to fund more brain tumor
experiments.

Lastly the researches able to do federally funded embryonic stem cell
research have not come close to using up the existing lines that are
available and federally funded.

Stop with your spinning Rich.  It isn't working.

Gary


Rich Gauszka wrote:

  
  
  
  
  Imagine
the breakthroughs if Bush
actually funded the research properly. It was only in 1998 that scientists
actually succeeded in growing human embryonic stem cells in
culture so this first President to fund is a red herring.

   
   
  

    "Mark" <nomail{at}hotmail.com&">mailto:nomail{at}hotmail.com">nomail{at}hotmail.com&
gt;
wrote in message news:4546d7de$1{at}w3.nls.ne
t...
    Bush
was the first president to
fund stem cell research at all. I guess he shouldn't have? And Gary is
right, this breakthrough (if it even is that ultimately) has nothing to do
with destroying embryos, rather it's a potentially solid argument for
alternatives instead.
    

      "Rich Gauszka" <gauszka{at}hotm">mailto:gauszka{at}hotmail.com">gauszka{at}hotm
ail.com>
wrote in message news:4546d47c{at}w3.nls.net...
      Bush
limited federal funds for
stem cell research in 2001 to the limited number of stem cells created before
that date. In effect Bush did curtail research on non-embryonic stem
cells
       
      

        "Gary Britt" <glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com>">mailto:glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com">glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com>
wrote in message news:4546d0be{at}w3.nls.net...
        
Yep, it was Chord Blood stem cells NOT embryonic stem cells.
        
From your link.   The tissue was created from
blood taken from babies' umbilical cords just a few minutes after
birth.
        
There is no federal funding ban on NON-Embryonic stem cell research, but
don't let the facts get in the way or your politics.  Michael J.
Fox, nor any of the MSM do.
        
        
        
Gary Britt wrote:
        

Did they use EMBRYONIC stem cells?  Bush is the first president to
approve ANY federal funding for embryonic stem cells.  He approved
for existing cell lines.  There is no law against embyonic stem
cell research.  If it was promising it would be funded privately.

          
So far all that embryonic stem cell research has produced are brain tumors
and absolutely no, zero, nada cures of anything. 
          
There have been successes with chord blood stem cells and adult stem
cells.  Neither of which are banned from federal funding.

          
The lefties like to quote stories about successful treatments from Chord
blood and adult stem cell research, and then try to confuse
readers/listeners as though that says something about embryonic stem cells
research. 
          
Embryonic stem cell research is not banned, just not federally funded. This
debate is about people who want money from the government and not about
finding cures. 
          
Gary 
          
          
          
Rich Gauszka wrote: 
          Rush Limbaugh will now proclaim
British Scientists evil and in league with Michael J Fox in their
diabolical attempt to embarrass the Bushies over stem cell research.

            
            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article
_id=413551&in_page_id=1770&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=NEWS&
amp;ct=5">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_arti
cle_id=413551&in_page_id=1770&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=NE
WS&ct=5
            
British scientists have grown the world's first artificial liver from stem
cells in a breakthrough that will one day provide entire organs for
transplant. 
            
The technique that created the 'mini-liver', currently the size of a one
pence piece, will be developed to create a full-size functioning liver.

            
Described as a 'Eureka moment' by the Newcastle University researchers, the
tissue was created from blood taken from babies' umbilical cords just a few
minutes after birth. 
            
As it stands, the mini organ can be used to test new drugs, preventing
disasters such as the recent 'Elephant Man' drug trial. Using lab-grown
liver tissue would also reduce the number of animal experiments. 
            
Within five years, pieces of artificial tissue could be used to repair
livers damaged by injury, disease, alcohol abuse and paracetamol overdose

            
            
          
        
        
      
    
  





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