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Actually Rush Limbaugh is the one that went over the top with his =
statement that Fox was acting with his disease.. I was just lampooning =
Rush.  Limbaugh has every right to criticize the message but it really =
was low to make fun of Fox's predicament. And like the weasel ( I should =
apologize for offending weasels ) Rush is he avoided and debate with Fox =
when he was invited this weekend


  "Mark"  wrote in message =
news:4546e343$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  Bob, Rich was the one that went over the top on this one: "Rush =
Limbaugh will now proclaim British Scientists evil and in league with =
Michael J Fox in their diabolical attempt to embarrass the Bushies over =
stem cell research."=20

  If scientists want to do embryonic stem cell research no one is =
stopping them, they're just going to have to find someone besides us to =
pay for it. Maybe Branson would be better advised to fund it instead of =
getting involved in the global warming nonsense to the tune of $3B?=20

  Actually, that's a bad example, as I believe Branson is wisely funding =
alternative fuels with his donation, rather than throwing money into the =
sky, like the alarmists want our governments to do, maybe Soros will = fund
it? Or Gates? Or Buffet?=20

  How about too, that expected 1,900 pounds a year increased tax =
proposal for every UK family to fund the politicians global warming =
playground? =20
    "Robert G Lewis"  wrote in message =
news:4546e0f1{at}w3.nls.net...
    Except the articles quoted so far do seem to make the distinction. =
There does seem to be major differences in the usefulness of the =
different types of stem cells with the Embryonic being the most =
versatile.
      "Mark"  wrote in message =
news:4546decf$1{at}w3.nls.net...
      Aha Bob, you found me out,  I was distorting the record, thus =
falsely making Bush look good.=20

      Hmm, kind of like when adult stem cell or cord blood research =
successes are splashed around indiscriminately to confuse people and try =
to make Bush falsely look like an ogre.
        "Robert G Lewis"  wrote in message =
news:4546dd06{at}w3.nls.net...
        Be sort of hard for many presidents before Bush to approve stem =
cell research. First stem cells were only isolated in late 98

        =
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/18/AR2006071=
800722.html

        I suspect the alternatives would never have been discovered if =
the original embryonic research had not occurred
          "Mark"  wrote in message =
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          Bush was the first president to fund stem cell research at =
all. I guess he shouldn't have? And Gary is right, this breakthrough (if =
it even is that ultimately) has nothing to do with destroying embryos, =
rather it's a potentially solid argument for alternatives instead.
            "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message =
news:4546d47c{at}w3.nls.net...
            Bush limited federal funds for stem cell research in 2001 to =
the limited number of stem cells created before that date. In effect = Bush
did curtail research on non-embryonic stem cells

              "Gary Britt" 
wrote in message =
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              Yep, it was Chord Blood stem cells NOT embryonic stem =
cells.

              From your link.   The tissue was created from blood taken =
from babies' umbilical cords just a few minutes after birth.

              There is no federal funding ban on NON-Embryonic stem cell =
research, but don't let the facts get in the way or your politics.  =
Michael J. Fox, nor any of the MSM do.



              Gary Britt wrote:=20

                Did they use EMBRYONIC stem cells?  Bush is the first =
president to approve ANY federal funding for embryonic stem cells.  He =
approved for existing cell lines.  There is no law against embyonic stem =
cell research.  If it was promising it would be funded privately.=20

                So far all that embryonic stem cell research has =
produced are brain tumors and absolutely no, zero, nada cures of = anything.=20

                There have been successes with chord blood stem cells =
and adult stem cells.  Neither of which are banned from federal funding. =


                The lefties like to quote stories about successful =
treatments from Chord blood and adult stem cell research, and then try = to
confuse readers/listeners as though that says something about = embryonic
stem cells research.=20

                Embryonic stem cell research is not banned, just not =
federally funded. This debate is about people who want money from the =
government and not about finding cures.=20

                Gary=20



                Rich Gauszka wrote:=20

                  Rush Limbaugh will now proclaim British Scientists =
evil and in league with Michael J Fox in their diabolical attempt to =
embarrass the Bushies over stem cell research.=20

                  =
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_=
id=3D413551&in_page_id=3D1770&ico=3DHomepage&icl=3DTabModule&icc=3DNEWS&c=
t=3D5=20
                  British scientists have grown the world's first =
artificial liver from stem cells in a breakthrough that will one day =
provide entire organs for transplant.=20

                  The technique that created the 'mini-liver', currently =
the size of a one pence piece, will be developed to create a full-size =
functioning liver.=20

                  Described as a 'Eureka moment' by the Newcastle =
University researchers, the tissue was created from blood taken from =
babies' umbilical cords just a few minutes after birth.=20

                  As it stands, the mini organ can be used to test new =
drugs, preventing disasters such as the recent 'Elephant Man' drug = trial.
Using lab-grown liver tissue would also reduce the number of = animal
experiments.=20

                  Within five years, pieces of artificial tissue could =
be used to repair livers damaged by injury, disease, alcohol abuse and =
paracetamol overdose=20





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Actually Rush Limbaugh is the one that =
went over=20
the top with his statement that Fox was acting with his disease.. I was = just=20
lampooning Rush.  Limbaugh has every right to criticize the
message = but it=20
really was low to make fun of Fox's predicament. And like the weasel ( I = should=20
apologize for offending weasels ) Rush is he avoided and debate with Fox = when he=20
was invited this weekend
 
 

  "Mark" <nomail{at}hotmail.com>=20">mailto:nomail{at}hotmail.com">nomail{at}hotmail.com>=20
  wrote in message news:4546e343$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  Bob, Rich was the one that went over =
the top on=20
  this one: "Rush Limbaugh will =
now proclaim=20
  British Scientists evil and in league with Michael J Fox in their =
diabolical=20
  attempt to embarrass the Bushies over stem cell research."=20
  
  If scientists want to do embryonic =
stem cell=20
  research no one is stopping them, they're just going to have to find =
someone=20
  besides us to pay for it. Maybe Branson would be better advised to =
fund it=20
  instead of getting involved in the global warming nonsense to the tune =
of $3B?=20
  
   
  Actually, that's a bad example, as I =
believe=20
  Branson is wisely funding alternative fuels with his donation, rather =
than=20
  throwing money into the sky, like the alarmists want our governments =
to do,=20
  maybe Soros will fund it? Or Gates? Or Buffet? 
   
  How about too, that expected 1,900 =
pounds a year=20
  increased tax proposal for every UK family to fund the =
politicians global=20
  warming playground? <wow, maybe now the regular folk that =
aren't=20
  paying attention will wake up, smell the coffee (or tea as the UK =
case=20
  may be) and tell them to get over themselves -- when they start =
picking the=20
  pockets of the public directly with their alarmism, it's near =
the end=20
  game> 
  

    "Robert G Lewis" <r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net>">mailto:r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net">r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net>
=
wrote in=20
    message news:4546e0f1{at}w3.nls.net...
    Except the articles quoted so far do seem to =
make the=20
    distinction. There does seem to be major differences in the =
usefulness of=20
    the different types of stem cells with the Embryonic being the most=20
    versatile.
    

      "Mark" <nomail{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:nomail{at}hotmail.com">nomail{at}hotmail.com>
=
wrote in=20
      message news:4546decf$1{at}w3.nls.net...
      Aha Bob, you found me out, =
<g> I=20
      was distorting the record, thus falsely making Bush look good.=20
      
       
      Hmm, kind of like when
adult stem =
cell or=20
      cord blood research successes are splashed around =
indiscriminately to=20
      confuse people and try to make Bush falsely look like an=20
      ogre.
      

        "Robert G Lewis" <r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net>">mailto:r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net">r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net>
= wrote=20
        in message news:4546dd06{at}w3.nls.net...
        Be sort of hard for many presidents before =
Bush to=20
        approve stem cell research. First stem cells were only isolated =
in late=20
        98
         
        http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/18/A=
R2006071800722.html">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article=
/2006/07/18/AR2006071800722.html
         
        I suspect the alternatives would never have =
been=20
        discovered if the original embryonic research had not=20
        occurred
        

          "Mark" <nomail{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:nomail{at}hotmail.com">nomail{at}hotmail.com>
=
wrote in=20
          message news:4546d7de$1{at}w3.nls.net...
          Bush was the first president =
to fund stem=20
          cell research at all. I guess he shouldn't have? And Gary is =
right,=20
          this breakthrough (if it even is that ultimately) has nothing =
to do=20
          with destroying embryos, rather it's a potentially solid =
argument for=20
          alternatives instead.
          

            "Rich Gauszka" <gauszka{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:gauszka{at}hotmail.com">gauszka{at}hotmail.com>
wrote=20
            in message news:4546d47c{at}w3.nls.net...
            Bush limited federal funds =
for stem=20
            cell research in 2001 to the=20
            limited number of stem cells created before that date. In =
effect=20
            Bush did curtail research on non-embryonic stem=20
            cells
             
            
              "Gary Britt" <glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=">mailto:glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com">glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=
>=20
              wrote in message news:4546d0be{at}w3.nls.net...Yep,=20
              it was Chord Blood stem cells NOT embryonic stem=20
              cells.From your link.  
The tissue =
was=20
              created from blood taken from babies' umbilical cords just =
a few=20
              minutes after birth.There is no federal =
funding ban on=20
              NON-Embryonic stem cell research, but don't let the facts =
get in=20
              the way or your politics.  Michael J. Fox, nor any of =
the MSM=20
              do.Gary Britt wrote:=20
              
Did=20
                they use EMBRYONIC stem cells?  Bush is the first =
president=20
                to approve ANY federal funding for embryonic stem =
cells. =20
                He approved for existing cell lines.  There is no =
law=20
                against embyonic stem cell research.  If it was =
promising=20
                it would be funded privately. So far all that =
embryonic=20
                stem cell research has produced are brain tumors and =
absolutely=20
                no, zero, nada cures of anything. There have =
been=20
                successes with chord blood stem cells and adult stem=20
                cells.  Neither of which are banned from federal =
funding.=20
                The lefties like to quote stories about =
successful=20
                treatments from Chord blood and adult stem cell =
research, and=20
                then try to confuse readers/listeners as though that =
says=20
                something about embryonic stem cells research. =
Embryonic=20
                stem cell research is not banned, just not federally =
funded.=20
                This debate is about people who want money from the =
government=20
                and not about finding cures. Gary =
Rich=20
                Gauszka wrote: 
                Rush Limbaugh will now =
proclaim=20
                  British Scientists evil and in league with Michael J =
Fox in=20
                  their diabolical attempt to embarrass the Bushies over =
stem=20
                  cell research. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_=
article_id=3D413551&in_page_id=3D1770&ico=3DHomepage&icl=3DTa=
bModule&icc=3DNEWS&ct=3D5">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/=
articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=3D413551&in_page_id=3D1770&=
ico=3DHomepage&icl=3DTabModule&icc=3DNEWS&ct=3D5=20
                  British scientists have grown the world's first =
artificial=20
                  liver from stem cells in a breakthrough that will one =
day=20
                  provide entire organs for transplant. The =
technique=20
                  that created the 'mini-liver', currently the size of a =
one=20
                  pence piece, will be developed to create a full-size=20
                  functioning liver. Described as a 'Eureka =
moment' by=20
                  the Newcastle University researchers, the tissue was =
created=20
                  from blood taken from babies' umbilical cords just a =
few=20
                  minutes after birth. As it stands, the mini =
organ can=20
                  be used to test new drugs, preventing disasters such =
as the=20
                  recent 'Elephant Man' drug trial. Using lab-grown =
liver tissue=20
                  would also reduce the number of animal experiments.=20
                  Within five years, pieces of
artificial tissue =
could=20
                  be used to repair livers damaged by injury, disease, =
alcohol=20
                  abuse and paracetamol overdose=20
              =


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