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Bush as anti-science ogre? I can live with that 

  "Mark"  wrote in message =
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  Aha Bob, you found me out,  I was distorting the record, thus =
falsely making Bush look good.=20

  Hmm, kind of like when adult stem cell or cord blood research =
successes are splashed around indiscriminately to confuse people and try =
to make Bush falsely look like an ogre.
    "Robert G Lewis"  wrote in message =
news:4546dd06{at}w3.nls.net...
    Be sort of hard for many presidents before Bush to approve stem cell =
research. First stem cells were only isolated in late 98

    =
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/18/AR2006071=
800722.html

    I suspect the alternatives would never have been discovered if the =
original embryonic research had not occurred
      "Mark"  wrote in message =
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      Bush was the first president to fund stem cell research at all. I =
guess he shouldn't have? And Gary is right, this breakthrough (if it = even
is that ultimately) has nothing to do with destroying embryos, = rather
it's a potentially solid argument for alternatives instead.
        "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message =
news:4546d47c{at}w3.nls.net...
        Bush limited federal funds for stem cell research in 2001 to the =
limited number of stem cells created before that date. In effect Bush = did
curtail research on non-embryonic stem cells

          "Gary Britt"  wrote
in message =
news:4546d0be{at}w3.nls.net...

          Yep, it was Chord Blood stem cells NOT embryonic stem cells.

          From your link.   The tissue was created from blood taken from =
babies' umbilical cords just a few minutes after birth.

          There is no federal funding ban on NON-Embryonic stem cell =
research, but don't let the facts get in the way or your politics.  =
Michael J. Fox, nor any of the MSM do.



          Gary Britt wrote:=20

            Did they use EMBRYONIC stem cells?  Bush is the first =
president to approve ANY federal funding for embryonic stem cells.  He =
approved for existing cell lines.  There is no law against embyonic stem =
cell research.  If it was promising it would be funded privately.=20

            So far all that embryonic stem cell research has produced =
are brain tumors and absolutely no, zero, nada cures of anything.=20

            There have been successes with chord blood stem cells and =
adult stem cells.  Neither of which are banned from federal funding.=20

            The lefties like to quote stories about successful =
treatments from Chord blood and adult stem cell research, and then try = to
confuse readers/listeners as though that says something about = embryonic
stem cells research.=20

            Embryonic stem cell research is not banned, just not =
federally funded. This debate is about people who want money from the =
government and not about finding cures.=20

            Gary=20



            Rich Gauszka wrote:=20

              Rush Limbaugh will now proclaim British Scientists evil =
and in league with Michael J Fox in their diabolical attempt to = embarrass
the Bushies over stem cell research.=20

              =
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_=
id=3D413551&in_page_id=3D1770&ico=3DHomepage&icl=3DTabModule&icc=3DNEWS&c=
t=3D5=20
              British scientists have grown the world's first artificial =
liver from stem cells in a breakthrough that will one day provide entire =
organs for transplant.=20

              The technique that created the 'mini-liver', currently the =
size of a one pence piece, will be developed to create a full-size =
functioning liver.=20

              Described as a 'Eureka moment' by the Newcastle University =
researchers, the tissue was created from blood taken from babies' =
umbilical cords just a few minutes after birth.=20

              As it stands, the mini organ can be used to test new =
drugs, preventing disasters such as the recent 'Elephant Man' drug = trial.
Using lab-grown liver tissue would also reduce the number of = animal
experiments.=20

              Within five years, pieces of artificial tissue could be =
used to repair livers damaged by injury, disease, alcohol abuse and =
paracetamol overdose=20





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Bush as anti-science ogre? I can live =
with that=20
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  "Mark" <nomail{at}hotmail.com>=20">mailto:nomail{at}hotmail.com">nomail{at}hotmail.com>=20
  wrote in message news:4546decf$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  Aha Bob, you found me out, =
<g> I was=20
  distorting the record, thus falsely making Bush look good. =

   
  Hmm, kind of like when adult stem =
cell or cord=20
  blood research successes are splashed around indiscriminately to =
confuse=20
  people and try to make Bush falsely look like an =
ogre.
  

    "Robert G Lewis" <r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net>">mailto:r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net">r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net>
=
wrote in=20
    message news:4546dd06{at}w3.nls.net...
    Be sort of hard for many presidents before Bush =
to approve=20
    stem cell research. First stem cells were only isolated in late=20
    98
     
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/18/A=
R2006071800722.html">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article=
/2006/07/18/AR2006071800722.html
     
    I suspect the alternatives would never
have been =

    discovered if the original embryonic research had not =
occurred
    

      "Mark" <nomail{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:nomail{at}hotmail.com">nomail{at}hotmail.com>
=
wrote in=20
      message news:4546d7de$1{at}w3.nls.net...
      Bush was the first president to =
fund stem=20
      cell research at all. I guess he shouldn't have? And Gary is =
right, this=20
      breakthrough (if it even is that ultimately) has nothing to do =
with=20
      destroying embryos, rather it's a potentially solid argument for=20
      alternatives instead.
      

        "Rich Gauszka" <gauszka{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:gauszka{at}hotmail.com">gauszka{at}hotmail.com>
=
wrote in=20
        message news:4546d47c{at}w3.nls.net...
        Bush limited federal funds for =
stem cell=20
        research in 2001 to the =
limited=20
        number of stem cells created before that date. In effect Bush =
did=20
        curtail research on non-embryonic stem
cells
         
        
          "Gary Britt" <glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=">mailto:glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com">glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=
>=20
          wrote in message news:4546d0be{at}w3.nls.net...Yep,=20
          it was Chord Blood stem cells NOT embryonic stem =
cells.From=20
          your link.   The tissue was created from blood =
taken from=20
          babies' umbilical cords just a few minutes after=20
          birth.There is no federal funding ban on =
NON-Embryonic=20
          stem cell research, but don't let the facts get in the way or =
your=20
          politics.  Michael J. Fox, nor any of the MSM=20
          do.Gary Britt wrote:=20
          
Did they=20
            use EMBRYONIC stem cells?  Bush is the first president =
to=20
            approve ANY federal funding for embryonic stem cells.  =
He=20
            approved for existing cell lines.  There is no law =
against=20
            embyonic stem cell research.  If it was promising it =
would be=20
            funded privately. So far all that embryonic stem =
cell=20
            research has produced are brain tumors and absolutely no, =
zero, nada=20
            cures of anything. There have been successes with =
chord=20
            blood stem cells and adult stem cells.  Neither of =
which are=20
            banned from federal funding. The lefties like to =
quote=20
            stories about successful treatments from Chord blood and =
adult stem=20
            cell research, and then try to confuse readers/listeners as =
though=20
            that says something about embryonic stem cells research.=20
            Embryonic stem cell research is not banned,
just not =

            federally funded. This debate is about people who want money =
from=20
            the government and not about finding cures. Gary=20
            Rich Gauszka wrote: 
            Rush Limbaugh will
now proclaim =
British=20
              Scientists evil and in league with Michael J Fox in their=20
              diabolical attempt to embarrass the Bushies over stem cell =

              research. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_=
article_id=3D413551&in_page_id=3D1770&ico=3DHomepage&icl=3DTa=
bModule&icc=3DNEWS&ct=3D5">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/=
articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=3D413551&in_page_id=3D1770&=
ico=3DHomepage&icl=3DTabModule&icc=3DNEWS&ct=3D5=20
              British scientists have grown the world's first =
artificial=20
              liver from stem cells in a breakthrough that will one day =
provide=20
              entire organs for transplant. The technique that =
created=20
              the 'mini-liver', currently the size of a one pence piece, =
will be=20
              developed to create a full-size functioning liver.=20
              Described as a 'Eureka moment' by the Newcastle =
University=20
              researchers, the tissue was created from blood taken from =
babies'=20
              umbilical cords just a few minutes after birth.
As =
it=20
              stands, the mini organ can be used to test new drugs, =
preventing=20
              disasters such as the recent 'Elephant Man' drug trial. =
Using=20
              lab-grown liver tissue would also reduce the number of =
animal=20
              experiments. Within five years, pieces of =
artificial=20
              tissue could be used to repair livers damaged by injury, =
disease,=20
              alcohol abuse and paracetamol overdose=20
          =


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