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Bob, Rich was the one that went over the top on this one: "Rush
Limbaugh = will now proclaim British Scientists evil and in league with
Michael J = Fox in their diabolical attempt to embarrass the Bushies over
stem cell = research."=20

If scientists want to do embryonic stem cell research no one is stopping =
them, they're just going to have to find someone besides us to pay for =
it. Maybe Branson would be better advised to fund it instead of getting =
involved in the global warming nonsense to the tune of $3B?=20

Actually, that's a bad example, as I believe Branson is wisely funding =
alternative fuels with his donation, rather than throwing money into the =
sky, like the alarmists want our governments to do, maybe Soros will = fund
it? Or Gates? Or Buffet?=20

How about too, that expected 1,900 pounds a year increased tax proposal =
for every UK family to fund the politicians global warming playground? =
=20
  "Robert G Lewis"  wrote in message =
news:4546e0f1{at}w3.nls.net...
  Except the articles quoted so far do seem to make the distinction. =
There does seem to be major differences in the usefulness of the =
different types of stem cells with the Embryonic being the most =
versatile.
    "Mark"  wrote in message =
news:4546decf$1{at}w3.nls.net...
    Aha Bob, you found me out,  I was distorting the record, thus =
falsely making Bush look good.=20

    Hmm, kind of like when adult stem cell or cord blood research =
successes are splashed around indiscriminately to confuse people and try =
to make Bush falsely look like an ogre.
      "Robert G Lewis"  wrote in message =
news:4546dd06{at}w3.nls.net...
      Be sort of hard for many presidents before Bush to approve stem =
cell research. First stem cells were only isolated in late 98

      =
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/18/AR2006071=
800722.html

      I suspect the alternatives would never have been discovered if the =
original embryonic research had not occurred
        "Mark"  wrote in message =
news:4546d7de$1{at}w3.nls.net...
        Bush was the first president to fund stem cell research at all. =
I guess he shouldn't have? And Gary is right, this breakthrough (if it =
even is that ultimately) has nothing to do with destroying embryos, =
rather it's a potentially solid argument for alternatives instead.
          "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message =
news:4546d47c{at}w3.nls.net...
          Bush limited federal funds for stem cell research in 2001 to =
the limited number of stem cells created before that date. In effect = Bush
did curtail research on non-embryonic stem cells

            "Gary Britt"  wrote
in message =
news:4546d0be{at}w3.nls.net...

            Yep, it was Chord Blood stem cells NOT embryonic stem cells.

            From your link.   The tissue was created from blood taken =
from babies' umbilical cords just a few minutes after birth.

            There is no federal funding ban on NON-Embryonic stem cell =
research, but don't let the facts get in the way or your politics.  =
Michael J. Fox, nor any of the MSM do.



            Gary Britt wrote:=20

              Did they use EMBRYONIC stem cells?  Bush is the first =
president to approve ANY federal funding for embryonic stem cells.  He =
approved for existing cell lines.  There is no law against embyonic stem =
cell research.  If it was promising it would be funded privately.=20

              So far all that embryonic stem cell research has produced =
are brain tumors and absolutely no, zero, nada cures of anything.=20

              There have been successes with chord blood stem cells and =
adult stem cells.  Neither of which are banned from federal funding.=20

              The lefties like to quote stories about successful =
treatments from Chord blood and adult stem cell research, and then try = to
confuse readers/listeners as though that says something about = embryonic
stem cells research.=20

              Embryonic stem cell research is not banned, just not =
federally funded. This debate is about people who want money from the =
government and not about finding cures.=20

              Gary=20



              Rich Gauszka wrote:=20

                Rush Limbaugh will now proclaim British Scientists evil =
and in league with Michael J Fox in their diabolical attempt to = embarrass
the Bushies over stem cell research.=20

                =
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_=
id=3D413551&in_page_id=3D1770&ico=3DHomepage&icl=3DTabModule&icc=3DNEWS&c=
t=3D5=20
                British scientists have grown the world's first =
artificial liver from stem cells in a breakthrough that will one day =
provide entire organs for transplant.=20

                The technique that created the 'mini-liver', currently =
the size of a one pence piece, will be developed to create a full-size =
functioning liver.=20

                Described as a 'Eureka moment' by the Newcastle =
University researchers, the tissue was created from blood taken from =
babies' umbilical cords just a few minutes after birth.=20

                As it stands, the mini organ can be used to test new =
drugs, preventing disasters such as the recent 'Elephant Man' drug = trial.
Using lab-grown liver tissue would also reduce the number of = animal
experiments.=20

                Within five years, pieces of artificial tissue could be =
used to repair livers damaged by injury, disease, alcohol abuse and =
paracetamol overdose=20





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Bob, Rich was the one that went over =
the top on=20
this one: "Rush Limbaugh will = now proclaim=20
British Scientists evil and in league with Michael J Fox in their = diabolical=20
attempt to embarrass the Bushies over stem cell research."=20

If scientists want to do
embryonic stem =
cell=20
research no one is stopping them, they're just going to have to find = someone=20
besides us to pay for it. Maybe Branson would be better advised to fund = it=20
instead of getting involved in the global warming nonsense to the tune = of $3B?=20

 
Actually, that's a bad example, as I =
believe=20
Branson is wisely funding alternative fuels with his donation, rather = than=20
throwing money into the sky, like the alarmists want our governments to = do,=20
maybe Soros will fund it? Or Gates? Or Buffet? 
 
How about too, that expected 1,900 =
pounds a year=20
increased tax proposal for every UK family to fund the politicians
= global=20
warming playground? <wow, maybe now the regular folk that
aren't = paying=20
attention will wake up, smell the coffee (or tea as the UK case
may = be) and=20
tell them to get over themselves -- when they start picking the pockets = of the=20
public directly with their alarmism, it's near the end=20
game> 

  "Robert G Lewis" <r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net>">mailto:r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net">r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net>
=
wrote in=20
  message news:4546e0f1{at}w3.nls.net...
  Except the articles quoted so far do seem to make =
the=20
  distinction. There does seem to be major differences in the usefulness =
of the=20
  different types of stem cells with the Embryonic being the most=20
  versatile.
  

    "Mark" <nomail{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:nomail{at}hotmail.com">nomail{at}hotmail.com>
wrote =
in message=20
    news:4546decf$1{at}w3.nls.net...
    Aha Bob, you found me out, =
<g> I was=20
    distorting the record, thus falsely making Bush look good. =

     
    Hmm, kind of like when adult stem =
cell or cord=20
    blood research successes are splashed around indiscriminately =
to=20
    confuse people and try to make Bush falsely look like an=20
    ogre.
    

      "Robert G Lewis" <r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net>">mailto:r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net">r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net>
= wrote in=20
      message news:4546dd06{at}w3.nls.net...
      Be sort of hard for many presidents before =
Bush to=20
      approve stem cell research. First stem cells were only isolated in =
late=20
      98
       
      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/18/A=
R2006071800722.html">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article=
/2006/07/18/AR2006071800722.html
       
      I suspect the alternatives would never have =
been=20
      discovered if the original embryonic research had not=20
occurred
      

        "Mark" <nomail{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:nomail{at}hotmail.com">nomail{at}hotmail.com>
=
wrote in=20
        message news:4546d7de$1{at}w3.nls.net...
        Bush was the first
president to =
fund stem=20
        cell research at all. I guess he shouldn't have? And Gary is =
right, this=20
        breakthrough (if it even is that ultimately) has nothing to do =
with=20
        destroying embryos, rather it's a potentially solid argument for =

        alternatives instead.
        

          "Rich Gauszka" <gauszka{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:gauszka{at}hotmail.com">gauszka{at}hotmail.com>
wrote in =

          message news:4546d47c{at}w3.nls.net...
          Bush limited federal funds =
for stem cell=20
          research in 2001 to =
the limited=20
          number of stem cells created before that date. In effect Bush =
did=20
          curtail research on non-embryonic stem =
cells
           
          
            "Gary Britt" <glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=">mailto:glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com">glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=
>=20
            wrote in message news:4546d0be{at}w3.nls.net...Yep,=20
            it was Chord Blood stem cells NOT embryonic stem =
cells.From=20
            your link.   The tissue was created
from blood =
taken=20
            from babies' umbilical cords just a few minutes after=20
            birth.There is no federal funding ban on =
NON-Embryonic=20
            stem cell research, but don't let the facts get in the way =
or your=20
            politics.  Michael J. Fox, nor any of the MSM=20
            do.Gary Britt wrote:=20
            
Did they=20
              use EMBRYONIC stem cells?  Bush is the first =
president to=20
              approve ANY federal funding for embryonic stem =
cells.  He=20
              approved for existing cell lines.  There is no law =
against=20
              embyonic stem cell research.  If it was promising it =
would be=20
              funded privately. So far all that embryonic stem =
cell=20
              research has produced are brain tumors and absolutely no, =
zero,=20
              nada cures of anything. There have been successes =
with=20
              chord blood stem cells and adult stem cells.  Neither =
of=20
              which are banned from federal funding.
The lefties =
like to=20
              quote stories about successful treatments from Chord blood =
and=20
              adult stem cell research, and then try to confuse=20
              readers/listeners as though that says something about =
embryonic=20
              stem cells research. Embryonic stem cell research =
is not=20
              banned, just not federally funded. This debate is about =
people who=20
              want money from the government and not about finding =
cures.=20
              Gary
Rich Gauszka wrote: 
              Rush Limbaugh will
now proclaim =
British=20
                Scientists evil and in league with Michael J Fox in =
their=20
                diabolical attempt to embarrass the Bushies over stem =
cell=20
                research. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_=
article_id=3D413551&in_page_id=3D1770&ico=3DHomepage&icl=3DTa=
bModule&icc=3DNEWS&ct=3D5">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/=
articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=3D413551&in_page_id=3D1770&=
ico=3DHomepage&icl=3DTabModule&icc=3DNEWS&ct=3D5=20
                British scientists have grown the world's first =
artificial=20
                liver from stem cells in a breakthrough that will one =
day=20
                provide entire organs for transplant. The =
technique that=20
                created the 'mini-liver', currently the size of a one =
pence=20
                piece, will be developed to create a full-size =
functioning=20
                liver. Described as a 'Eureka moment' by the =
Newcastle=20
                University researchers, the tissue was created from =
blood taken=20
                from babies' umbilical cords just a few minutes after =
birth.=20
                As it stands, the mini organ can be
used to test =
new=20
                drugs, preventing disasters such as the recent 'Elephant =
Man'=20
                drug trial. Using lab-grown liver tissue would also =
reduce the=20
                number of animal experiments. Within
five years, =
pieces=20
                of artificial tissue could be used to repair livers =
damaged by=20
                injury, disease, alcohol abuse and paracetamol overdose=20
                =


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