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Aha Bob, you found me out,  I was distorting the record, thus
falsely = making Bush look good.=20

Hmm, kind of like when adult stem cell or cord blood research successes =
are splashed around indiscriminately to confuse people and try to make =
Bush falsely look like an ogre.
  "Robert G Lewis"  wrote in message =
news:4546dd06{at}w3.nls.net...
  Be sort of hard for many presidents before Bush to approve stem cell =
research. First stem cells were only isolated in late 98

  =
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/18/AR2006071=
800722.html

  I suspect the alternatives would never have been discovered if the =
original embryonic research had not occurred
    "Mark"  wrote in message =
news:4546d7de$1{at}w3.nls.net...
    Bush was the first president to fund stem cell research at all. I =
guess he shouldn't have? And Gary is right, this breakthrough (if it = even
is that ultimately) has nothing to do with destroying embryos, = rather
it's a potentially solid argument for alternatives instead.
      "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message =
news:4546d47c{at}w3.nls.net...
      Bush limited federal funds for stem cell research in 2001 to the =
limited number of stem cells created before that date. In effect Bush = did
curtail research on non-embryonic stem cells

        "Gary Britt"  wrote in message =
news:4546d0be{at}w3.nls.net...

        Yep, it was Chord Blood stem cells NOT embryonic stem cells.

        From your link.   The tissue was created from blood taken from =
babies' umbilical cords just a few minutes after birth.

        There is no federal funding ban on NON-Embryonic stem cell =
research, but don't let the facts get in the way or your politics.  =
Michael J. Fox, nor any of the MSM do.



        Gary Britt wrote:=20

          Did they use EMBRYONIC stem cells?  Bush is the first =
president to approve ANY federal funding for embryonic stem cells.  He =
approved for existing cell lines.  There is no law against embyonic stem =
cell research.  If it was promising it would be funded privately.=20

          So far all that embryonic stem cell research has produced are =
brain tumors and absolutely no, zero, nada cures of anything.=20

          There have been successes with chord blood stem cells and =
adult stem cells.  Neither of which are banned from federal funding.=20

          The lefties like to quote stories about successful treatments =
from Chord blood and adult stem cell research, and then try to confuse =
readers/listeners as though that says something about embryonic stem =
cells research.=20

          Embryonic stem cell research is not banned, just not federally =
funded. This debate is about people who want money from the government =
and not about finding cures.=20

          Gary=20



          Rich Gauszka wrote:=20

            Rush Limbaugh will now proclaim British Scientists evil and =
in league with Michael J Fox in their diabolical attempt to embarrass = the
Bushies over stem cell research.=20

            =
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_=
id=3D413551&in_page_id=3D1770&ico=3DHomepage&icl=3DTabModule&icc=3DNEWS&c=
t=3D5=20
            British scientists have grown the world's first artificial =
liver from stem cells in a breakthrough that will one day provide entire =
organs for transplant.=20

            The technique that created the 'mini-liver', currently the =
size of a one pence piece, will be developed to create a full-size =
functioning liver.=20

            Described as a 'Eureka moment' by the Newcastle University =
researchers, the tissue was created from blood taken from babies' =
umbilical cords just a few minutes after birth.=20

            As it stands, the mini organ can be used to test new drugs, =
preventing disasters such as the recent 'Elephant Man' drug trial. Using =
lab-grown liver tissue would also reduce the number of animal =
experiments.=20

            Within five years, pieces of artificial tissue could be used =
to repair livers damaged by injury, disease, alcohol abuse and =
paracetamol overdose=20





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Aha Bob, you found me out, =
<g> I was=20
distorting the record, thus falsely making Bush look good. 
 
Hmm, kind of like when adult stem cell =
or cord=20
blood research successes are splashed around indiscriminately to =
confuse=20
people and try to make Bush falsely look like an
ogre.

  "Robert G Lewis" <r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net>">mailto:r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net">r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net>
=
wrote in=20
  message news:4546dd06{at}w3.nls.net...
  Be sort of hard for many presidents
before Bush to =
approve=20
  stem cell research. First stem cells were only isolated in late=20
98
   
  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/18/A=
R2006071800722.html">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article=
/2006/07/18/AR2006071800722.html
   
  I suspect the alternatives would never have been =
discovered=20
  if the original embryonic research had not occurred
  

    "Mark" <nomail{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:nomail{at}hotmail.com">nomail{at}hotmail.com>
wrote =
in message=20
    news:4546d7de$1{at}w3.nls.net...
    Bush was the first president to =
fund stem cell=20
    research at all. I guess he shouldn't have? And Gary is right, this=20
    breakthrough (if it even is that ultimately) has nothing to do with=20
    destroying embryos, rather it's a potentially solid argument for=20
    alternatives instead.
    

      "Rich Gauszka" <gauszka{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:gauszka{at}hotmail.com">gauszka{at}hotmail.com>
=
wrote in=20
      message news:4546d47c{at}w3.nls.net...
      Bush limited federal funds for =
stem cell=20
      research in 2001 to the =
limited number=20
      of stem cells created before that date. In effect Bush did curtail =

      research on non-embryonic stem cells
       
      
        "Gary Britt" <glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=">mailto:glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com">glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=
>=20
        wrote in message news:4546d0be{at}w3.nls.net...Yep,=20
        it was Chord Blood stem cells NOT embryonic stem =
cells.From your=20
        link.   The tissue was created from blood taken =
from=20
        babies' umbilical cords just a few minutes after =
birth.There=20
        is no federal funding ban on NON-Embryonic stem cell research, =
but don't=20
        let the facts get in the way or your politics.  Michael J. =
Fox, nor=20
        any of the MSM do.Gary
Britt wrote:=20
        
Did they use=20
          EMBRYONIC stem cells?  Bush is the first president to =
approve ANY=20
          federal funding for embryonic stem cells.  He approved =
for=20
          existing cell lines.  There is no law against embyonic =
stem cell=20
          research.  If it was promising it would be funded =
privately.=20
          So far all that embryonic stem cell research has =
produced are=20
          brain tumors and absolutely no, zero, nada cures of anything.=20
          There have been successes with chord blood stem cells =
and=20
          adult stem cells.  Neither of which are banned from =
federal=20
          funding. The lefties like to quote stories about =
successful=20
          treatments from Chord blood and adult stem cell research, and =
then try=20
          to confuse readers/listeners as though that says something =
about=20
          embryonic stem cells research. Embryonic stem cell =
research is=20
          not banned, just not federally funded. This debate is about =
people who=20
          want money from the government and not about finding cures.=20
          Gary
Rich Gauszka wrote: 
          Rush Limbaugh will now proclaim =
British=20
            Scientists evil and in league with Michael J Fox in their =
diabolical=20
            attempt to embarrass the Bushies over stem cell research. =
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_=
article_id=3D413551&in_page_id=3D1770&ico=3DHomepage&icl=3DTa=
bModule&icc=3DNEWS&ct=3D5">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/=
articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=3D413551&in_page_id=3D1770&=
ico=3DHomepage&icl=3DTabModule&icc=3DNEWS&ct=3D5=20
            British scientists have grown the world's first =
artificial liver=20
            from stem cells in a breakthrough that will one day provide =
entire=20
            organs for transplant. The technique that created =
the=20
            'mini-liver', currently the size of a one pence piece, will =
be=20
            developed to create a full-size functioning liver. =
Described=20
            as a 'Eureka moment' by the Newcastle University =
researchers, the=20
            tissue was created from blood taken from babies' umbilical =
cords=20
            just a few minutes after birth. As it stands, the =
mini organ=20
            can be used to test new drugs, preventing disasters such as =
the=20
            recent 'Elephant Man' drug trial. Using lab-grown liver =
tissue would=20
            also reduce the number of animal experiments.
Within =
five=20
            years, pieces of artificial tissue could be used to repair =
livers=20
            damaged by injury, disease, alcohol abuse and paracetamol =
overdose=20
            =


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