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Imagine the breakthroughs if Bush actually funded the research properly. =
It was only in 1998 that scientists actually succeeded in growing human =
embryonic stem cells in culture so this first President to fund is a red =
herring.=20


  "Mark"  wrote in message =
news:4546d7de$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  Bush was the first president to fund stem cell research at all. I =
guess he shouldn't have? And Gary is right, this breakthrough (if it = even
is that ultimately) has nothing to do with destroying embryos, = rather
it's a potentially solid argument for alternatives instead.
    "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message =
news:4546d47c{at}w3.nls.net...
    Bush limited federal funds for stem cell research in 2001 to the =
limited number of stem cells created before that date. In effect Bush = did
curtail research on non-embryonic stem cells

      "Gary Britt"  wrote in message =
news:4546d0be{at}w3.nls.net...

      Yep, it was Chord Blood stem cells NOT embryonic stem cells.

      From your link.   The tissue was created from blood taken from =
babies' umbilical cords just a few minutes after birth.

      There is no federal funding ban on NON-Embryonic stem cell =
research, but don't let the facts get in the way or your politics.  =
Michael J. Fox, nor any of the MSM do.



      Gary Britt wrote:=20

        Did they use EMBRYONIC stem cells?  Bush is the first president =
to approve ANY federal funding for embryonic stem cells.  He approved = for
existing cell lines.  There is no law against embyonic stem cell =
research.  If it was promising it would be funded privately.=20

        So far all that embryonic stem cell research has produced are =
brain tumors and absolutely no, zero, nada cures of anything.=20

        There have been successes with chord blood stem cells and adult =
stem cells.  Neither of which are banned from federal funding.=20

        The lefties like to quote stories about successful treatments =
from Chord blood and adult stem cell research, and then try to confuse =
readers/listeners as though that says something about embryonic stem =
cells research.=20

        Embryonic stem cell research is not banned, just not federally =
funded. This debate is about people who want money from the government =
and not about finding cures.=20

        Gary=20



        Rich Gauszka wrote:=20

          Rush Limbaugh will now proclaim British Scientists evil and in =
league with Michael J Fox in their diabolical attempt to embarrass the =
Bushies over stem cell research.=20

          =
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_=
id=3D413551&in_page_id=3D1770&ico=3DHomepage&icl=3DTabModule&icc=3DNEWS&c=
t=3D5=20
          British scientists have grown the world's first artificial =
liver from stem cells in a breakthrough that will one day provide entire =
organs for transplant.=20

          The technique that created the 'mini-liver', currently the =
size of a one pence piece, will be developed to create a full-size =
functioning liver.=20

          Described as a 'Eureka moment' by the Newcastle University =
researchers, the tissue was created from blood taken from babies' =
umbilical cords just a few minutes after birth.=20

          As it stands, the mini organ can be used to test new drugs, =
preventing disasters such as the recent 'Elephant Man' drug trial. Using =
lab-grown liver tissue would also reduce the number of animal =
experiments.=20

          Within five years, pieces of artificial tissue could be used =
to repair livers damaged by injury, disease, alcohol abuse and =
paracetamol overdose=20





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Imagine the breakthroughs if Bush =
actually funded=20
the research properly. It was only in 1998 that scientists actually =
succeeded in growing human
embryonic = stem cells in=20
culture so this first President to fund is a red herring. =

 
 

  "Mark" <nomail{at}hotmail.com>=20">mailto:nomail{at}hotmail.com">nomail{at}hotmail.com>=20
  wrote in message news:4546d7de$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  Bush was the first president to fund =
stem cell=20
  research at all. I guess he shouldn't have? And Gary is right, this=20
  breakthrough (if it even is that ultimately) has nothing to do with =
destroying=20
  embryos, rather it's a potentially solid argument for alternatives=20
  instead.
  

    "Rich Gauszka" <gauszka{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:gauszka{at}hotmail.com">gauszka{at}hotmail.com>
=
wrote in=20
    message news:4546d47c{at}w3.nls.net...
    Bush limited federal funds
for stem =
cell=20
    research in 2001 to the =
limited number=20
    of stem cells created before that date. In effect Bush did curtail =
research=20
    on non-embryonic stem cells
     
    
      "Gary Britt" <glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=">mailto:glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com">glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=
>=20
      wrote in message news:4546d0be{at}w3.nls.net...Yep,=20
      it was Chord Blood stem cells NOT embryonic stem =
cells.From your=20
      link.   The tissue was created from blood
taken from =
babies'=20
      umbilical cords just a few minutes after
birth.There =
is no=20
      federal funding ban on NON-Embryonic stem cell research, but don't =
let the=20
      facts get in the way or your politics.  Michael J. Fox, nor =
any of=20
      the MSM do.Gary Britt wrote:=20
      
Did =
they use=20
        EMBRYONIC stem cells?  Bush is the first president to =
approve ANY=20
        federal funding for embryonic stem cells.  He approved for =
existing=20
        cell lines.  There is no law against embyonic stem cell=20
        research.  If it was promising it would be funded =
privately.=20
        So far all that embryonic stem cell research has =
produced are=20
        brain tumors and absolutely no, zero, nada cures of anything.=20
        There have been successes with chord blood stem cells =
and adult=20
        stem cells.  Neither of which are banned from federal =
funding.=20
        The lefties like to quote stories about successful =
treatments=20
        from Chord blood and adult stem cell research, and then try to =
confuse=20
        readers/listeners as though that says something about embryonic =
stem=20
        cells research. Embryonic stem cell research is not =
banned, just=20
        not federally funded. This debate is about people who want money =
from=20
        the government and not about finding cures. Gary=20
        Rich Gauszka wrote: 
        Rush Limbaugh will now proclaim =
British=20
          Scientists evil and in league with Michael J Fox in their =
diabolical=20
          attempt to embarrass the Bushies over stem cell research. =
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_=
article_id=3D413551&in_page_id=3D1770&ico=3DHomepage&icl=3DTa=
bModule&icc=3DNEWS&ct=3D5">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/=
articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=3D413551&in_page_id=3D1770&=
ico=3DHomepage&icl=3DTabModule&icc=3DNEWS&ct=3D5=20
          British scientists have grown the world's first artificial =
liver=20
          from stem cells in a breakthrough that will one day provide =
entire=20
          organs for transplant. The technique that
created the=20
          'mini-liver', currently the size of a one pence piece, will be =

          developed to create a full-size functioning liver. =
Described=20
          as a 'Eureka moment' by the Newcastle University researchers, =
the=20
          tissue was created from blood taken from babies' umbilical =
cords just=20
          a few minutes after birth. As it stands, the mini =
organ can be=20
          used to test new drugs, preventing disasters such as the =
recent=20
          'Elephant Man' drug trial. Using lab-grown liver tissue would =
also=20
          reduce the number of animal experiments. Within five =
years,=20
          pieces of artificial tissue could be used to repair livers =
damaged by=20
          injury, disease, alcohol abuse and paracetamol overdose=20
        =


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