From: "Rich Gauszka" 


"Mark"  wrote in message
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> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
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>> "George Sherwood"  wrote in message
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>>> On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:35:33 -0600, John Cuccia wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:47:09 +0400, "George Sherwood"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>But then again John Kerry agrees with you.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/news/ci_4578034
>>>>>
>>>>>"Kerry then told the students that if they were
able to navigate the
>>>>>education system, they could get comfortable jobs -
"If you don't, you
>>>>>get
>>>>>stuck in Iraq," he said to a mixture of laughter
and gasps."
>>>>>
>>>>>Nice move Senator Kerry, insult the troops fighting
overseas.  Glad I
>>>>>never had to call that guy Commander-in-Chief.
>>>>
>>>> That isn't insulting the troops, it is insulting the
strategists that
>>>> got those the troops stuck in Iraq.
>>>
>>> BS.  Don't get an education in get stuck in Iraq, has nothing to do with
>>> the policy.  He is talking about the soldiers, you can spin like Kerry
>>> is
>>> doing, but it is insulting.
>>>
>>> George
>>
>> Kerry did come across badly. From the reports the Democratic party is
>> more pissed at Kerry than the response from the Bush Administration to
>> Kerry's comments. To me it looked like Kerry thought he was on a roll
>> with the one liners and entered the foot-in-mouth zone with the
>> education/Iraq one.
>
> I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt of an innocent
> foot-in-mouth defense, if he hadn't had the same attitude about the
> military 35 years ago (to me it's amazing that he could be elected to
> anything after that, let alone almost, phew!, make POTUS). I still think
> it obvious that he stumbled over his words, but I think it's a result of
> his real personna coming through accidentally, not some joke gone awry --
> why is he joking about the war anyway?
>
>
>> BTW Rumsfeld look surprised today when the reporters asked him about
>> Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki ordered the US checkpoints removed <
>> waiting to see the spin on that one >
>
> I'm not surprised that Rumsfeld wouldn't be aware of every single action
> on the ground in Iraq, why would he? I guess the opposite spin now, will
> be that there's "light between our positions" and all is lost in Iraq
> because Maliki is taking responsibility and actions that Rumsfeld doesn't
> know about. OTOH, had he, Maliki, not taken responsibility and action,
> he'd be castigated as a puppet of ours. No win, no need to argue 
>
>

Did you see any of the interviews with the troops there today?  They
appeared to be quite upset that the roadblocks were pulled. Although if
Maliki wishes to survive ( politically and physically )  he will have to
cater to the Shiites. I suspect Rumsfeld had to be aware of the roadblock
lift but that the administration was still trying to find a way to spin the
news into something less negative.

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