From: "Robert G Lewis"
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When should the vote be thrown out Mark ? if an absentee ballot arrives =
after the deadline but postmarked before the cutoff date it's counted. =
What about one that is postmarked correctly but arrives a month late, or =
two months or three months , what about a year ? Would you have the =
elected office removed if it changed the total after they were sworn in =
?
I am making no assumptions here. If the ballots can be verified as to = the
date posted then count them. I don't think the US Military Postal = Service
uses Jungle Masters /medicine Men to run their post offices. = Last time I
checked they used US Military personnel who were supposed to = follow
regulations and SHOULD BE GIVEN THE SUPPORT THEY NEED.Are you = claiming
the current administration is failing to do that ?
On the email votes I am not saying fraud. I am saying there is potential =
for fraud and identify theft. This should be addressed. I'm saying we =
should do everything we can to make sure the elections are honest and =
safe. I want the votes to be what the person sent, not what someone =
running a server in Iraq or wherever changes it to.I also do not want = the
servicemen voting to be exposed to any unnecessary risk in voting. = Why do
you think the additional risk to our service men is worth not = taking
additional precautions to protect their vote and identity ?
"Mark" wrote in message =
news:454ad1e7$1{at}w3.nls.net...
So, if the local jungle master/medicine man runs out of extracted =
jungle berry juice/cactus extract, to use with his postmark stamp, the = GI
should have his vote thrown out?=20
Your assumption seems to be that of a country of 300M people, that =
every single one of the votes of the fraction of a percent that are in =
the military protecting the right to vote of everyone (and the even =
smaller percent that are deployed) are fraudulent? I don't think so.
"Robert G Lewis" wrote in message =
news:454acdce{at}w3.nls.net...
Er the lame claim had to do with following US and State LAWS which =
SHOULD apply to all under the appropriate jurisdiction. And there are =
valid non partisan concerns about the setup which should be addressed.=20
"Mark" wrote in message =
news:454ac4b7{at}w3.nls.net...
It does take all kinds. Like trying to cancel out military votes =
because of some lame claim that because they weren't postmarked properly =
in some jungle or desert somewhere, they should be thrown out; then when =
a program is put in place to negate that specious argument, start up a =
new argument -- ostensibly to "protect" the serviceman from ID
theft -- = to continue to try and prevent the most important people in our
country = from having their vote counted.
"Rich Gauszka" wrote in message =
news:454ab6e4{at}w3.nls.net...
It takes all kinds to cheapen the vote - from the million dollar =
Arizona lottery to those who seek to limit minorities as in Houston.
I do agree that voting is a privilege, a right and a =
responsibility
"Mark" wrote in message =
news:454ab5da{at}w3.nls.net...
I know you're asking Gary, but I don't approve of it, not one =
bit. What the hell is it with all these wackos cheapening our democracy =
with their various nut-job schemes? Run for office and take your = medicine
if you lose, don't whine about it for weeks (or decades) on = end, just
shut the fuck up until/if you run again.
"Rich Gauszka" wrote in message =
news:454ab2ea{at}w3.nls.net...
So I take it you do not approve of the Arizona million =
dollar lottery vote?
"Gary Britt"
wrote in message =
news:454aa54b{at}w3.nls.net...
Its still ILLEGAL. The county clerk said there was no =
problem IF it was not against the law. The Mayor rightly determined it =
IS against the law.
Then you quote this bullshit from someone else:
Polls are an ideal place to access large numbers of people =
who need the vaccine."I'm disappointed this has happened,"he said.
So is the local grocery store, church, liquor store. In =
fact much more likely to get MORE people at those places than a single =
day polling place event. If it was really about serving the poor flu =
shots, they wouldn't be REQUIRED to do it ONLY at polling places on =
election day. How are the drunks who don't vote supposed to get their =
flu shot???? Don't they deserve a flu shot? In fact aren't they more =
in need of a flu shot than people with enough sense to vote? Want to = get
the poor drunks set up outside the local liquor store or 7-eleven.
Its obvious this doesn't have a damn thing to do with flu =
shots for the poor from the perspective of the people paying for the =
program. Hence the "funds only for polling place flu shots".
Gary
Robert G Lewis wrote:=20
During early voting ,NOT on election day and apparently =
cleared by the REPUBLICAN County Clerk and the REPUBLICAN Secretary of =
State. NO REQUIREMENT TO VOTE in order to get the shots. Just have to =
over the age of 50.
=
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Nov02/0,4670,VoteandVaccinate,00.html
Dr. Douglas Shenson, the director of the flu-shot =
program for the foundation, said he does not know of problems with the =
program in any other city.
"It's an entirely nonpartisan and nonpolitical =
activity,"Shenson said."It's not a get-out-the-vote campaign.
It's a = get-out-the-vaccine campaign."
Polls are an ideal place to access large numbers of =
people who need the vaccine."I'm disappointed this has happened,"he = said.
=
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/4298775.html
The "Vote and Vaccination" clinics are in Hispanic and =
black neighborhoods because studies show these ethnic groups are less =
likely to get flu shots, said Porfirio Villarreal, a spokesman for the =
city's health department.
"This has nothing to do with politics," he said.
"It's =
an initiative to reach people who are at high risk and would not go to a =
doctor and clinic, but do take advantage of voting."
I expect you would also object to giving people rides to =
the polls , or handing out absentee ballots.
Why do you object to the local government setting up =
free flu shots in poor areas ? Why do you object to free flu shots for = the poor ?
"Gary Britt"
wrote in =
message news:454a8cda{at}w3.nls.net...
You quoted the part that makes it illegal Robert:
Stephen Williams, the city health chief, and White said the terms of the =
Amerigroup grant required a tie to polling places in medically = undeserved=20
areas where populations are less likely to get vaccinations.
So the "private" funding REQUIRED that the flu shots be given out
ONLY = on election day, and
ONLY at polling places. Yeah that's a real intent to serve the poor =
there. Nothing to do with people canvassing neighborhoods and telling =
people come on down to vote, will drive you, and if you do come down and =
vote you can get a free flu shot.
What if a "private" group wanted to fund some "fun"
into the lives of = the poor neighborhoods where there isn't a lot of
"fun" and set up = funding for people to vote at a local liquor
store and get a free pint = of whiskey of their choice. Would you see any
problems with that? = Because that is EXACTLY the same as this bullshit
flu shot vote fraud = scheme.
Are you and Rich against poor people having some free fun and voting at =
liquor stores?
Gary
Robert G Lewis wrote:=20
From the article
Before launching the program, Williams' staff consulted with Republican=20
Harris County Clerk Beverly Kaufman, the county's top election official, =
who=20
offered support provided that the initiative complied with applicable = laws.
Kaufman's spokesman, David Beirne, said erroneous media reports might = have=20
fueled the perception that voting was related to receiving something of=20
value, which could violate the law. "It's not tied to the voting =
practice,=20
which is a critical element," he said. "We did not see anything
on its = face=20
to indicate that it would be a clear violation of election law."
Scott Haywood, a spokesman for Texas Secretary of State Roger Williams, = also=20
a Republican, said in an e-mail that "there is nothing wrong with a = health=20
clinic being located at the same site that voting is taking place," =
provided=20
that people weren't required to vote to get the service.
Stephen Williams, the city health chief, and White said the terms of the =
Amerigroup grant required a tie to polling places in medically = underserved=20
areas where populations are less likely to get vaccinations.
"Gary Britt" wrote in
message=20 news:454a79b3$1{at}w3.nls.net...
Its the law. Giving somebody booze, cigarettes, money, gold, or a flu =
shot is paying for somebody to vote and violated a very specific statute =
applicable to that region.
Its also bullshit they were trying to reach medically undeserved areas.=20
They were trying to pay people to come vote.
Gary
Phil Payne wrote:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/4304540.html
"Mayor Bill White ordered a halt Wednesday to the city health=20 department's
privately funded drive to offer flu vaccinations at early voting sites = in
predominantly Hispanic and black neighborhoods, amid conservative=20 criticism
that the effort would boost Democratic turnout.
About 1,300 flu shots were given to people age 50 or older in the past=20 three
days under the program, which didn't require the recipients to vote.=20 Health
officials said they were only trying to reach people in medically
underserved communities."
=20
=20
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When should the vote be thrown out Mark ? if an =
absentee=20
ballot arrives after the deadline but postmarked before the cutoff date = it's=20
counted. What about one that is postmarked correctly but arrives a month = late,=20
or two months or three months , what about a year ? Would you have the = elected=20
office removed if it changed the total after they were sworn in =
?
I am making no assumptions here. If the ballots can =
be=20
verified as to the date posted then count them. I don't think the US = Military=20
Postal Service uses Jungle Masters /medicine Men to run their post = offices. Last=20
time I checked they used US Military personnel who were supposed to = follow=20
regulations and SHOULD BE GIVEN THE SUPPORT THEY NEED.Are you claiming = the=20
current administration is failing to do that ?
On the email votes I am not saying fraud. I am =
saying there is=20
potential for fraud and identify theft. This should be addressed. I'm = saying we=20
should do everything we can to make sure the elections are honest and = safe. I=20
want the votes to be what the person sent, not what someone running a = server in=20
Iraq or wherever changes it to.I also do not want the servicemen voting = to be=20
exposed to any unnecessary risk in voting. Why do you think the = additional risk=20
to our service men is worth not taking additional precautions to protect = their=20
vote and identity ?
"Mark" <nomail{at}hotmail.com>=20">mailto:nomail{at}hotmail.com">nomail{at}hotmail.com>=20
wrote in message news:454ad1e7$1{at}w3.nls.net...
So, if the local jungle =
master/medicine=20
man runs out of extracted jungle berry juice/cactus extract, =
to use=20
with his postmark stamp, the GI should have his vote thrown out?=20
Your assumption seems to be
that of a =
country of=20
300M people, that every single one of the votes of the fraction of a =
percent=20
that are in the military protecting the right to vote=20
of everyone (and the even smaller percent that are deployed) =
are=20
fraudulent? I don't think so.
"Robert G Lewis" <r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net>">mailto:r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net">r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net>
=
wrote in=20
message news:454acdce{at}w3.nls.net...
Er the lame claim had to do with following US =
and State=20
LAWS which SHOULD apply to all under the=20
appropriate jurisdiction. And there are valid non partisan =
concerns about the setup which should be addressed.
"Mark" <nomail{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:nomail{at}hotmail.com">nomail{at}hotmail.com>
=
wrote in=20
message news:454ac4b7{at}w3.nls.net...
It does take all kinds. Like =
trying to cancel=20
out military votes because of some lame claim that because they =
weren't=20
postmarked properly in some jungle or desert somewhere, they =
should be=20
thrown out; then when a program is put in place to negate that =
specious=20
argument, start up a new argument -- ostensibly to "protect" the=20
serviceman from ID theft -- to continue to try and prevent the =
most=20
important people in our country from having their vote=20
counted.
"Rich Gauszka" <gauszka{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:gauszka{at}hotmail.com">gauszka{at}hotmail.com>
=
wrote in=20
message news:454ab6e4{at}w3.nls.net...
It takes all kinds to cheapen =
the vote -=20
from the million dollar Arizona lottery to those who seek to =
limit=20
minorities as in Houston.
I do agree that voting is a =
privilege, a=20
right and a responsibility <as is military =
service>
"Mark" <nomail{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:nomail{at}hotmail.com">nomail{at}hotmail.com>
=
wrote in=20
message news:454ab5da{at}w3.nls.net...
I know you're asking Gary, =
but I don't=20
approve of it, not one bit. What the hell is it with all these =
wackos=20
cheapening our democracy with their various nut-job schemes? =
Run for=20
office and take your medicine if you lose, don't whine about =
it for=20
weeks (or decades) on end, just shut the fuck up =
until/if=20
you run again.
"Rich Gauszka" <gauszka{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:gauszka{at}hotmail.com">gauszka{at}hotmail.com>
wrote=20
in message news:454ab2ea{at}w3.nls.net...
So I take it you do not =
approve of the=20
Arizona million dollar lottery vote?
"Gary Britt" <glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=">mailto:glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com">glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=
>=20
wrote in message news:454aa54b{at}w3.nls.net...Its=20
still ILLEGAL. The county clerk said there was no =
problem IF=20
it was not against the law. The Mayor rightly =
determined it=20
IS against the law.Then you quote this bullshit =
from=20
someone else:Polls are an =
ideal=20
place to access large numbers of people who need the =
vaccine."I'm=20
disappointed this has happened,"he
said.So is the =
local=20
grocery store, church, liquor store. In fact much =
more=20
likely to get MORE people at those places than a single =
day=20
polling place event. If it was really about serving =
the poor=20
flu shots, they wouldn't be REQUIRED to do it ONLY at =
polling=20
places on election day. How are the drunks who don't =
vote=20
supposed to get their flu shot???? Don't they =
deserve=20
a flu shot? In fact aren't they more in need of a =
flu shot=20
than people with enough sense to vote? Want to get =
the poor=20
drunks set up outside the local liquor store or=20
7-eleven.Its obvious this doesn't have a damn =
thing to do=20
with flu shots for the poor from the perspective of the =
people=20
paying for the program. Hence the "funds only for =
polling=20
place flu =
shots".GaryRobert=20
G Lewis wrote:=20
During early voting ,NOT
on =
election day=20
and apparently cleared by the REPUBLICAN County Clerk =
and the=20
REPUBLICAN Secretary of State. NO REQUIREMENT TO VOTE in =
order=20
to get the shots. Just have to over the age of =
50.
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Nov02/0,4670,VoteandVaccinate,00=
..html">http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Nov02/0,4670,VoteandVaccinate,00=
.html
Dr. Douglas Shenson, the
director of =
the=20
flu-shot program for the foundation, said he does not =
know of=20
problems with the program in any other =
city.
"It's an entirely
nonpartisan and =
nonpolitical=20
activity,"Shenson said."It's not a get-out-the-vote =
campaign.=20
It's a get-out-the-vaccine campaign."
Polls are an ideal place to access =
large=20
numbers of people who need the vaccine."I'm disappointed =
this=20
has happened,"he said.
http:/" target="new">http:/=">http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/4298775.html">http:/=
/www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/4298775.html
The "Vote and
Vaccination" clinics =
are in=20
Hispanic and black neighborhoods because studies show =
these=20
ethnic groups are less likely to get flu shots, said =
Porfirio=20
Villarreal, a spokesman for the city's health=20
department.
"This has nothing to do with =
politics," he=20
said. "It's an initiative to reach people who are at =
high risk=20
and would not go to a doctor and clinic, but do take =
advantage=20
of voting."
I expect you would also object to =
giving=20
people rides to the polls , or handing out absentee=20
ballots.
Why do you object to the local =
government=20
setting up free flu shots in poor areas ? Why do you =
object to=20
free flu shots for the poor ?
"Gary Britt" <glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=">mailto:glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com">glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=
>=20
wrote in message news:454a8cda{at}w3.nls.net...You=20
quoted the part that makes it illegal =
Robert:Stephen Williams,
the city health chief, = and White said the terms of the=20
Amerigroup grant required a
tie to polling =
places in medically undeserved=20 areas
where populations are less likely to get vaccinations.
So the "private" funding
REQUIRED that the flu =
shots be given out ONLY on election day, and ONLY at polling places. Yeah
that's a real intent to serve the poor = there. Nothing to do with people
canvassing neighborhoods and telling = people come on down to vote, will
drive you, and if you do come down and = vote you can get a free flu shot.
What if a "private" group wanted to fund some "fun"
into the lives of = the poor neighborhoods where there isn't a lot of
"fun" and set up = funding for people to vote at a local liquor
store and get a free pint = of whiskey of their choice. Would you see any
problems with that? = Because that is EXACTLY the same as this bullshit
flu shot vote fraud = scheme.
Are you and Rich against poor people having some free fun and voting at =
liquor stores?
Gary
Robert
G Lewis wrote:=20
From the article
Before launching the program, Williams' staff consulted with Republican=20
Harris County Clerk Beverly Kaufman, the county's top election official, =
who=20
offered support provided that the initiative complied with applicable = laws.
Kaufman's spokesman, David Beirne, said erroneous media reports might = have=20
fueled the perception that voting was related to receiving something of=20
value, which could violate the law. "It's not tied to the voting =
practice,=20
which is a critical element," he said. "We did not see anything
on its = face=20
to indicate that it would be a clear violation of election law."
Scott Haywood, a spokesman for Texas Secretary of State Roger Williams, = also=20
a Republican, said in an e-mail that "there is nothing wrong with a = health=20
clinic being located at the same site that voting is taking place," =
provided=20
that people weren't required to vote to get the service.
Stephen Williams, the city health chief, and White said the terms of the =
Amerigroup grant required a tie to polling places in medically = underserved=20
areas where populations are less likely to get vaccinations.
"Gary Britt" <glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=">mailto:glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com"><glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=
> wrote in message=20
news:454a79b3$1{at}w3.nls.net...
Its the =
law. Giving somebody booze, cigarettes, money, gold, or a flu=20 shot is
paying for somebody to vote and violated a very specific statute =
applicable to that region.
Its also bullshit they were trying to reach medically undeserved areas.=20
They were trying to pay people to come vote.
Gary
Phil Payne wrote:
http:=">http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/4304540.html">http:=
//www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/4304540.html
"Mayor Bill White ordered a halt Wednesday to the city health=20 department's
privately funded drive to offer flu vaccinations at early voting sites = in
predominantly Hispanic and black neighborhoods, amid conservative=20 criticism
that the effort would boost Democratic turnout.
About 1,300 flu shots were given to people age 50 or older in the past=20 three
days under the program, which didn't require the recipients to vote.=20 Health
officials said they were only trying to reach people in medically
underserved communities."
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