From: "Robert G Lewis"
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Er the lame claim had to do with following US and State LAWS which =
SHOULD apply to all under the appropriate jurisdiction. And there are =
valid non partisan concerns about the setup which should be addressed.=20
"Mark" wrote in message =
news:454ac4b7{at}w3.nls.net...
It does take all kinds. Like trying to cancel out military votes =
because of some lame claim that because they weren't postmarked properly =
in some jungle or desert somewhere, they should be thrown out; then when =
a program is put in place to negate that specious argument, start up a =
new argument -- ostensibly to "protect" the serviceman from ID
theft -- = to continue to try and prevent the most important people in our
country = from having their vote counted.
"Rich Gauszka" wrote in message =
news:454ab6e4{at}w3.nls.net...
It takes all kinds to cheapen the vote - from the million dollar =
Arizona lottery to those who seek to limit minorities as in Houston.
I do agree that voting is a privilege, a right and a responsibility =
"Mark" wrote in message =
news:454ab5da{at}w3.nls.net...
I know you're asking Gary, but I don't approve of it, not one bit. =
What the hell is it with all these wackos cheapening our democracy with =
their various nut-job schemes? Run for office and take your medicine if =
you lose, don't whine about it for weeks (or decades) on end, just shut =
the fuck up until/if you run again.
"Rich Gauszka" wrote in message =
news:454ab2ea{at}w3.nls.net...
So I take it you do not approve of the Arizona million dollar =
lottery vote?
"Gary Britt" wrote
in message =
news:454aa54b{at}w3.nls.net...
Its still ILLEGAL. The county clerk said there was no problem =
IF it was not against the law. The Mayor rightly determined it IS = against the law.
Then you quote this bullshit from someone else:
Polls are an ideal place to access large numbers of people who =
need the vaccine."I'm disappointed this has happened,"he said.
So is the local grocery store, church, liquor store. In fact =
much more likely to get MORE people at those places than a single day =
polling place event. If it was really about serving the poor flu shots, =
they wouldn't be REQUIRED to do it ONLY at polling places on election =
day. How are the drunks who don't vote supposed to get their flu =
shot???? Don't they deserve a flu shot? In fact aren't they more in =
need of a flu shot than people with enough sense to vote? Want to get =
the poor drunks set up outside the local liquor store or 7-eleven.
Its obvious this doesn't have a damn thing to do with flu =
shots for the poor from the perspective of the people paying for the =
program. Hence the "funds only for polling place flu shots".
Gary
Robert G Lewis wrote:=20
During early voting ,NOT on election day and apparently =
cleared by the REPUBLICAN County Clerk and the REPUBLICAN Secretary of =
State. NO REQUIREMENT TO VOTE in order to get the shots. Just have to =
over the age of 50.
=
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Nov02/0,4670,VoteandVaccinate,00.html
Dr. Douglas Shenson, the director of the flu-shot program =
for the foundation, said he does not know of problems with the program = in
any other city.
"It's an entirely nonpartisan and nonpolitical =
activity,"Shenson said."It's not a get-out-the-vote campaign.
It's a = get-out-the-vaccine campaign."
Polls are an ideal place to access large numbers of people =
who need the vaccine."I'm disappointed this has happened,"he said.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/4298775.html
The "Vote and Vaccination" clinics are in Hispanic and black =
neighborhoods because studies show these ethnic groups are less likely = to
get flu shots, said Porfirio Villarreal, a spokesman for the city's =
health department.
"This has nothing to do with politics," he said.
"It's an =
initiative to reach people who are at high risk and would not go to a =
doctor and clinic, but do take advantage of voting."
I expect you would also object to giving people rides to the =
polls , or handing out absentee ballots.
Why do you object to the local government setting up free =
flu shots in poor areas ? Why do you object to free flu shots for the = poor ?
"Gary Britt"
wrote in message =
news:454a8cda{at}w3.nls.net...
You quoted the part that makes it illegal Robert:
Stephen Williams, the city health chief, and White said the terms of the =
Amerigroup grant required a tie to polling places in medically = undeserved=20
areas where populations are less likely to get vaccinations.
So the "private" funding REQUIRED that the flu shots be given out
ONLY = on election day, and
ONLY at polling places. Yeah that's a real intent to serve the poor =
there. Nothing to do with people canvassing neighborhoods and telling =
people come on down to vote, will drive you, and if you do come down and =
vote you can get a free flu shot.
What if a "private" group wanted to fund some "fun"
into the lives of = the poor neighborhoods where there isn't a lot of
"fun" and set up = funding for people to vote at a local liquor
store and get a free pint = of whiskey of their choice. Would you see any
problems with that? = Because that is EXACTLY the same as this bullshit
flu shot vote fraud = scheme.
Are you and Rich against poor people having some free fun and voting at =
liquor stores?
Gary
Robert G Lewis wrote:=20
From the article
Before launching the program, Williams' staff consulted with Republican=20
Harris County Clerk Beverly Kaufman, the county's top election official, =
who=20
offered support provided that the initiative complied with applicable = laws.
Kaufman's spokesman, David Beirne, said erroneous media reports might = have=20
fueled the perception that voting was related to receiving something of=20
value, which could violate the law. "It's not tied to the voting =
practice,=20
which is a critical element," he said. "We did not see anything
on its = face=20
to indicate that it would be a clear violation of election law."
Scott Haywood, a spokesman for Texas Secretary of State Roger Williams, = also=20
a Republican, said in an e-mail that "there is nothing wrong with a = health=20
clinic being located at the same site that voting is taking place," =
provided=20
that people weren't required to vote to get the service.
Stephen Williams, the city health chief, and White said the terms of the =
Amerigroup grant required a tie to polling places in medically = underserved=20
areas where populations are less likely to get vaccinations.
"Gary Britt" wrote in
message=20 news:454a79b3$1{at}w3.nls.net...
Its the law. Giving somebody booze, cigarettes, money, gold, or a flu =
shot is paying for somebody to vote and violated a very specific statute =
applicable to that region.
Its also bullshit they were trying to reach medically undeserved areas.=20
They were trying to pay people to come vote.
Gary
Phil Payne wrote:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/4304540.html
"Mayor Bill White ordered a halt Wednesday to the city health=20 department's
privately funded drive to offer flu vaccinations at early voting sites = in
predominantly Hispanic and black neighborhoods, amid conservative=20 criticism
that the effort would boost Democratic turnout.
About 1,300 flu shots were given to people age 50 or older in the past=20 three
days under the program, which didn't require the recipients to vote.=20 Health
officials said they were only trying to reach people in medically
underserved communities."
=20
=20
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Er the lame claim had to do with following US and =
State=20
LAWS which SHOULD apply to all under the=20
appropriate jurisdiction. And there are valid non
partisan = concerns=20
about the setup which should be addressed.
"Mark" <nomail{at}hotmail.com>=20">mailto:nomail{at}hotmail.com">nomail{at}hotmail.com>=20
wrote in message news:454ac4b7{at}w3.nls.net...
It does take all kinds. Like trying =
to cancel out=20
military votes because of some lame claim that because they weren't =
postmarked=20
properly in some jungle or desert somewhere, they should be thrown =
out; then=20
when a program is put in place to negate that specious argument, start =
up a=20
new argument -- ostensibly to "protect" the serviceman from ID theft =
-- to=20
continue to try and prevent the most important people in our country =
from=20
having their vote counted.
"Rich Gauszka" <gauszka{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:gauszka{at}hotmail.com">gauszka{at}hotmail.com>
=
wrote in=20
message news:454ab6e4{at}w3.nls.net...
It takes all kinds to cheapen the =
vote - from=20
the million dollar Arizona lottery to those who seek to limit =
minorities as=20
in Houston.
I do agree that voting is a =
privilege, a right=20
and a responsibility <as is military
service>
"Mark" <nomail{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:nomail{at}hotmail.com">nomail{at}hotmail.com>
=
wrote in=20
message news:454ab5da{at}w3.nls.net...
I know you're asking Gary, but I =
don't=20
approve of it, not one bit. What the hell is it with all these =
wackos=20
cheapening our democracy with their various nut-job schemes? Run =
for=20
office and take your medicine if you lose, don't whine about it =
for weeks=20
(or decades) on end, just shut the fuck up until/if you =
run=20
again.
"Rich Gauszka" <gauszka{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:gauszka{at}hotmail.com">gauszka{at}hotmail.com>
=
wrote in=20
message news:454ab2ea{at}w3.nls.net...
So I take it you do
not approve =
of the=20
Arizona million dollar lottery vote?
"Gary Britt" <glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=">mailto:glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com">glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=
>=20
wrote in message news:454aa54b{at}w3.nls.net...Its=20
still ILLEGAL. The county clerk said there was no =
problem IF it=20
was not against the law. The Mayor rightly determined it =
IS=20
against the law.Then you quote this bullshit from =
someone=20
else:Polls are an ideal place =
to access=20
large numbers of people who need the vaccine."I'm disappointed =
this=20
has happened,"he said.So is the local
grocery store, =
church,=20
liquor store. In fact much more likely to get MORE =
people at=20
those places than a single day polling place event. If =
it was=20
really about serving the poor flu shots, they wouldn't be =
REQUIRED to=20
do it ONLY at polling places on election day. How are =
the drunks=20
who don't vote supposed to get their flu shot???? =
Don't=20
they deserve a flu shot? In fact aren't they more in =
need of a=20
flu shot than people with enough sense to vote? Want to =
get the=20
poor drunks set up outside the local liquor store or=20
7-eleven.Its obvious this doesn't have a damn
thing to =
do with=20
flu shots for the poor from the perspective of the people =
paying for=20
the program. Hence the "funds only for polling place flu =
shots".GaryRobert
G =
Lewis=20
wrote:=20
During early voting ,NOT on =
election day and=20
apparently cleared by the REPUBLICAN County Clerk and the =
REPUBLICAN=20
Secretary of State. NO REQUIREMENT TO VOTE in order to get =
the=20
shots. Just have to over the age of 50.
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Nov02/0,4670,VoteandVaccinate,00=
..html">http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Nov02/0,4670,VoteandVaccinate,00=
.html
Dr. Douglas Shenson, the
director of the =
flu-shot=20
program for the foundation, said he does not know of =
problems with=20
the program in any other city.
"It's an entirely nonpartisan and =
nonpolitical=20
activity,"Shenson said."It's not a get-out-the-vote =
campaign. It's a=20
get-out-the-vaccine campaign."
Polls are an ideal place to
access large =
numbers=20
of people who need the vaccine."I'm disappointed this has=20
happened,"he said.
http:/" target="new">http:/=">http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/4298775.html">http:/=
/www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/4298775.html
The "Vote and
Vaccination" clinics are =
in Hispanic=20
and black neighborhoods because studies show these ethnic =
groups are=20
less likely to get flu shots, said Porfirio Villarreal, a =
spokesman=20
for the city's health department.
"This has nothing to do
with politics," =
he said.=20
"It's an initiative to reach people who are at high risk and =
would=20
not go to a doctor and clinic, but do take advantage of=20
voting."
I expect you would also object
to giving =
people=20
rides to the polls , or handing out absentee =
ballots.
Why do you object to the local =
government setting=20
up free flu shots in poor areas ? Why do you object to free =
flu=20
shots for the poor ?
"Gary Britt" <glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=">mailto:glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com">glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=
>=20
wrote in message news:454a8cda{at}w3.nls.net...You=20
quoted the part that makes it illegal
Robert:Stephen Williams, the city health chief, and White
said the = terms of the=20
Amerigroup grant required a
tie to polling =
places in medically undeserved=20 areas
where populations are less likely to get vaccinations.
So the "private" funding
REQUIRED that the flu =
shots be given out ONLY on election day, and ONLY at polling places. Yeah
that's a real intent to serve the poor = there. Nothing to do with people
canvassing neighborhoods and telling = people come on down to vote, will
drive you, and if you do come down and = vote you can get a free flu shot.
What if a "private" group wanted to fund some "fun"
into the lives of = the poor neighborhoods where there isn't a lot of
"fun" and set up = funding for people to vote at a local liquor
store and get a free pint = of whiskey of their choice. Would you see any
problems with that? = Because that is EXACTLY the same as this bullshit
flu shot vote fraud = scheme.
Are you and Rich against poor people having some free fun and voting at =
liquor stores?
Gary
Robert
G Lewis wrote:=20
From the article
Before launching the program, Williams' staff consulted with Republican=20
Harris County Clerk Beverly Kaufman, the county's top election official, =
who=20
offered support provided that the initiative complied with applicable = laws.
Kaufman's spokesman, David Beirne, said erroneous media reports might = have=20
fueled the perception that voting was related to receiving something of=20
value, which could violate the law. "It's not tied to the voting =
practice,=20
which is a critical element," he said. "We did not see anything
on its = face=20
to indicate that it would be a clear violation of election law."
Scott Haywood, a spokesman for Texas Secretary of State Roger Williams, = also=20
a Republican, said in an e-mail that "there is nothing wrong with a = health=20
clinic being located at the same site that voting is taking place," =
provided=20
that people weren't required to vote to get the service.
Stephen Williams, the city health chief, and White said the terms of the =
Amerigroup grant required a tie to polling places in medically = underserved=20
areas where populations are less likely to get vaccinations.
"Gary Britt" <glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=">mailto:glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com"><glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=
> wrote in message=20
news:454a79b3$1{at}w3.nls.net...
Its the law. =
Giving somebody booze, cigarettes, money, gold, or a flu=20 shot is paying
for somebody to vote and violated a very specific statute =
applicable to that region.
Its also bullshit they were trying to reach medically undeserved areas.=20
They were trying to pay people to come vote.
Gary
Phil Payne wrote:
http:=">http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/4304540.html">http:=
//www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/4304540.html
"Mayor Bill White ordered a halt Wednesday to the city health=20 department's
privately funded drive to offer flu vaccinations at early voting sites = in
predominantly Hispanic and black neighborhoods, amid conservative=20 criticism
that the effort would boost Democratic turnout.
About 1,300 flu shots were given to people age 50 or older in the past=20 three
days under the program, which didn't require the recipients to vote.=20 Health
officials said they were only trying to reach people in medically
underserved communities."
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