From: Gary Britt
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There is a huge difference between ban and not funding Rich. Schwarzenegger
arranged for 3 billion in funding in California. Other countries are
funding. Private enterprise could fund it. So the absence of embryonic
stem cells doing anything but causing brain tumors to date is hardly the
result of lack of trying.
The fact is all the breakthroughs to date have come with the more stable
and more predictable chord blood and adult stem cells.
When people who want to play God with human embryos and want to proceed to
develop the science for human cloning and same sex conception to go along
with same sex marriage deliberately related stem cell success stories
arising out of chord blood stem cells and adult stem cells as though these
things are impacted by the non USA funded embryonic stem cell research are
spinning or as we used to call it in the old days lying.
Look how effective these lies and distortions about stems cell research
have been with you Rich. You are a very informed and educated person and
their spinning on this even had you confused into thinking a story about
chord blood stem cells had something to do with embryonic stem cells.
The *real* agenda for embryonic stem cells is human cloning and same sex
conception Rich. They need an unfettered policy of being able to buy,
experiment with, and destroy human embryos/babies. It is an affront to the
dignity of humanity, and slippery slope of literal frankensteinish
proportions Rich.
Gary
Rich Gauszka wrote:
> Links? Talk about spinning - ban/not fund the research and claim lack
> of breakthrough
>
> The White House also opposes embryonic stem cells that don't destroy
> the human embryo.
>
> http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/08/24/healthscience/web.0824stem.php
> http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/08/24/healthscience/web.0824stem..php>
>
> Biologists have developed a technique for establishing colonies of
> human embryonic stem cells from an early human embryo without
> destroying it. This method, if confirmed in other laboratories, would
> seem to remove the principal objection to the research.
>
>
>
> "Gary Britt" > wrote in message
> news:454793dd{at}w3.nls.net...
>
> So far all the breakthroughs are on stem cells other than
> embryonic stem cells. Embryonic stem cells have only broken
> through to cause brain tumors. Scientists working with embryonic
> stem cells say its at least 20 years off IF and BEFORE anything
> comes of the embryonic stuff. Meanwhile the chord blood and adult
> stem cell research are showing real break troughs.
>
> If there was real potential in embryonic stem cell research it
> would be funded by private enterprise. Their is no law against
> the research, just that the feds aren't going to fund more brain
> tumor experiments.
>
> Lastly the researches able to do federally funded embryonic stem
> cell research have not come close to using up the existing lines
> that are available and federally funded.
>
> Stop with your spinning Rich. It isn't working.
>
> Gary
>
>
> Rich Gauszka wrote:
>> Imagine the breakthroughs if Bush actually funded the research
>> properly. It was only in 1998 that scientists actually succeeded
>> in growing human embryonic stem cells in culture so this first
>> President to fund is a red herring.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mark" wrote
>> in message news:4546d7de$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>> Bush was the first president to fund stem cell research at
>> all. I guess he shouldn't have? And Gary is right, this
>> breakthrough (if it even is that ultimately) has nothing to
>> do with destroying embryos, rather it's a potentially solid
>> argument for alternatives instead.
>>
>> "Rich Gauszka" > > wrote in message
>> news:4546d47c{at}w3.nls.net...
>> Bush limited federal funds for stem cell research in 2001
>> to the limited number of stem cells created before that
>> date. In effect Bush did curtail research on
>> non-embryonic stem cells
>>
>>
>> "Gary Britt" > >
wrote in message
>> news:4546d0be{at}w3.nls.net...
>>
>> Yep, it was Chord Blood stem cells NOT embryonic stem
>> cells.
>>
>> From your link. *The tissue was created from blood
>> taken from babies' umbilical cords just a few minutes
>> after birth.*
>>
>> There is no federal funding ban on NON-Embryonic stem
>> cell research, but don't let the facts get in the way
>> or your politics. Michael J. Fox, nor any of the MSM do.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gary Britt wrote:
>>>
>>> Did they use EMBRYONIC stem cells? Bush is the
>>> first president to approve ANY federal funding for
>>> embryonic stem cells. He approved for existing cell
>>> lines. There is no law against embyonic stem cell
>>> research. If it was promising it would be funded
>>> privately.
>>>
>>> So far all that embryonic stem cell research has
>>> produced are brain tumors and absolutely no, zero,
>>> nada cures of anything.
>>>
>>> There have been successes with chord blood stem
>>> cells and adult stem cells. Neither of which are
>>> banned from federal funding.
>>>
>>> The lefties like to quote stories about successful
>>> treatments from Chord blood and adult stem cell
>>> research, and then try to confuse readers/listeners
>>> as though that says something about embryonic stem
>>> cells research.
>>>
>>> Embryonic stem cell research is not banned, just not
>>> federally funded. This debate is about people who
>>> want money from the government and not about finding
>>> cures.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rich Gauszka wrote:
>>>> Rush Limbaugh will now proclaim British Scientists
>>>> evil and in league with Michael J Fox in their
>>>> diabolical attempt to embarrass the Bushies over
>>>> stem cell research.
>>>>
>>>>
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.h
tml?in_article_id=413551&in_page_id=1770&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=NEWS&ct
=5
>>>>
>>>> British scientists have grown the world's first
>>>> artificial liver from stem cells in a breakthrough
>>>> that will one day provide entire organs for
>>>> transplant.
>>>>
>>>> The technique that created the 'mini-liver',
>>>> currently the size of a one pence piece, will be
>>>> developed to create a full-size functioning liver.
>>>>
>>>> Described as a 'Eureka moment' by the Newcastle
>>>> University researchers, the tissue was created from
>>>> blood taken from babies' umbilical cords just a few
>>>> minutes after birth.
>>>>
>>>> As it stands, the mini organ can be used to test
>>>> new drugs, preventing disasters such as the recent
>>>> 'Elephant Man' drug trial. Using lab-grown liver
>>>> tissue would also reduce the number of animal
>>>> experiments.
>>>>
>>>> Within five years, pieces of artificial tissue
>>>> could be used to repair livers damaged by injury,
>>>> disease, alcohol abuse and paracetamol overdose
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
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There is a huge difference between ban and not funding Rich.
Schwarzenegger arranged for 3 billion in funding in California.
Other countries are funding. Private enterprise could fund
it. So the absence of embryonic stem cells doing anything but
causing brain tumors to date is hardly the result of lack of
trying.
The fact is all the breakthroughs to date have come with the more stable
and more predictable chord blood and adult stem cells.
When people who want to play God with human embryos and want to proceed to
develop the science for human cloning and same sex conception to go along
with same sex marriage deliberately related stem cell success stories
arising out of chord blood stem cells and adult stem cells as though these
things are impacted by the non USA funded embryonic stem cell research are
spinning or as we used to call it in the old days lying.
Look how effective these lies and distortions about stems cell research
have been with you Rich. You are a very informed and educated
person and their spinning on this even had you confused into thinking a
story about chord blood stem cells had something to do with embryonic stem
cells.
The *real* agenda for embryonic stem cells is human cloning and same sex
conception Rich. They need an unfettered policy of being able to
buy, experiment with, and destroy human embryos/babies. It is an
affront to the dignity of humanity, and slippery slope of literal
frankensteinish proportions Rich.
Gary
Rich Gauszka wrote:
Links?
Talk about spinning - ban/not
fund the research and claim lack of breakthrough
The
White House also opposes
embryonic stem cells that don't destroy the human embryo.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/08/24/healthscience/web.0824stem..php">
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/08/24/healthscience/web.0824stem.php
>
Biologists have developed a technique for establishing colonies
of human embryonic stem cells from an early human embryo without destroying
it. This method, if confirmed in other laboratories, would seem to remove
the principal objection to the research.
"Gary Britt" <glbNOSPAM">mailto:glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com">glbNOSPAM
{at}gencogDOTcom.com>
wrote in message news:454793dd{at}w3.nls.net...
So far all the breakthroughs are on stem cells other than embryonic stem
cells. Embryonic stem cells have only broken through to cause
brain tumors. Scientists working with embryonic stem cells say
its at least 20 years off IF and BEFORE anything comes of the
embryonic stuff. Meanwhile the chord blood and adult stem cell
research are showing real break troughs.
If there was real potential in embryonic stem cell research it would be
funded by private enterprise. Their is no law against the
research, just that the feds aren't going to fund more brain tumor
experiments.
Lastly the researches able to do federally funded embryonic stem cell
research have not come close to using up the existing lines that are
available and federally funded.
Stop with your spinning Rich. It isn't working.
Gary
Rich Gauszka wrote:
Imagine the breakthroughs if
Bush actually funded the research properly. It was only in 1998 that
scientists actually succeeded in growing human embryonic stem cells in
culture so this first President to fund is a red herring.
"Mark" <nomail{at}hotmail.com<">mailto:nomail{at}hotmail.com">nomail{at}hotmail.com<
/a>>
wrote in message news:4546d7de$1{at}w3.nls.ne
t...
Bush was the first president
to fund stem cell research at all. I guess he shouldn't have? And Gary is
right, this breakthrough (if it even is that ultimately) has nothing to do
with destroying embryos, rather it's a potentially solid argument for
alternatives instead.
"Rich Gauszka" <gauszka{at}">mailto:gauszka{at}hotmail.com">gauszka{at}
hotmail.com>
wrote in message news:4546d47c{at}w3.nls.net...
Bush limited federal funds
for stem cell research in 2001 to the limited number of stem cells created before
that date. In effect Bush did curtail research on non-embryonic stem
cells
"Gary Britt" <glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com>">mailto:glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com">glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com>
wrote in message news:4546d0be{at}w3.nls.net...
Yep, it was Chord Blood stem cells NOT embryonic stem cells.
From your link. The tissue was created from
blood taken from babies' umbilical cords just a few minutes after
birth.
There is no federal funding ban on NON-Embryonic stem cell research, but
don't let the facts get in the way or your politics. Michael J.
Fox, nor any of the MSM do.
Gary Britt wrote:
Did they use EMBRYONIC stem cells? Bush is the first president to
approve ANY federal funding for embryonic stem cells. He approved
for existing cell lines. There is no law against embyonic stem
cell research. If it was promising it would be funded privately.
So far all that embryonic stem cell research has produced are brain tumors
and absolutely no, zero, nada cures of anything.
There have been successes with chord blood stem cells and adult stem
cells. Neither of which are banned from federal funding.
The lefties like to quote stories about successful treatments from Chord
blood and adult stem cell research, and then try to confuse
readers/listeners as though that says something about embryonic stem cells
research.
Embryonic stem cell research is not banned, just not federally funded. This
debate is about people who want money from the government and not about
finding cures.
Gary
Rich Gauszka wrote:
Rush Limbaugh will now proclaim
British Scientists evil and in league with Michael J Fox in their
diabolical attempt to embarrass the Bushies over stem cell research.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article
_id=413551&in_page_id=1770&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=NEWS&
amp;ct=5">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_arti
cle_id=413551&in_page_id=1770&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=NE
WS&ct=5
British scientists have grown the world's first artificial liver from stem
cells in a breakthrough that will one day provide entire organs for
transplant.
The technique that created the 'mini-liver', currently the size of a one
pence piece, will be developed to create a full-size functioning liver.
Described as a 'Eureka moment' by the Newcastle University researchers, the
tissue was created from blood taken from babies' umbilical cords just a few
minutes after birth.
As it stands, the mini organ can be used to test new drugs, preventing
disasters such as the recent 'Elephant Man' drug trial. Using lab-grown
liver tissue would also reduce the number of animal experiments.
Within five years, pieces of artificial tissue could be used to repair
livers damaged by injury, disease, alcohol abuse and paracetamol overdose
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