On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 04:14:02 +0000 (UTC), "Anon."
 wrote:

>John Edser wrote:
>> r norman  wrote:-
>> 
>> 
>>>>>>JE:-
>>>>>>Typically BOH replaces testable reality
>>>>>>with just his "expectations" of it.
>>>>>>In simple terms such an absurd event 
>>>>>>is termed: propaganda. The master was Stalin.
>>>>>>He turned reality into his "expectations" and
>>>>>>millions perished.
>>>>>
>> 
>>>>>BOH:-
>>>>>John, please read up on simple probability theory
before you write 
>>>>>another post ridiculing expectations.  They have a
precise mathematical 
>>>>>definition, which you seem to be totally unaware of.
>>>>>As for testability, you might like to read up about a
wonderful subject 
>>>>>called "statistics".  It's used to fit models
to data, which is an 
>>>>>esential component of testing hypotheses.  One of the
things you can do 
>>>>>is to estimate expected values (e.g. of allele
frequency changes).
>>>>
>> 
>>>>>JE:-
>>>>>Once again BOH asks us to replace a testable 
>>>>>reality with just his expectations of it. 
>>>>
>>  
>> 
>>>>
>>>
>> 
>>>>BOH:-
>>>>This is just a sematic game.  
>>>
>>  
>> 
>>>>JE:-
>>>>No, it is your "game" of misrepresentation.
>>>
>> 
>>>BOH:-
>>>No, your statement confuses two uses of the word
"expectation".  I was 
>>>using the word in a technical sense, which I then tried to explain. 
>>>Your senetence seemed to use the non-technical sense of the word, which 
>>>is a different matter.  Your sentence implies that in replacing the real 
>>>world with something else, I am not making any allowance for the fact 
>>>that the real world may be different.  This is not the case, and the 
>>>implication in your sentence comes purely from the different uses of a 
>>>word.  In that sense it is purely a matter of playing with semantics.
>> 
>> 
>> JE:-
>> If you are not just "replacing the real 
>> world with something else" using the
>> "technical sense" of the
>> word "expectation", then what is
>> the "real world" representation of
>> fitness that you are estimating?
>> 
>My phrasing wasn't so clear - I am "replacing the real world with 
>something else", but that I can still make allowances for it being 
>different.  My point was that when "taking expectations", I'm
not asking 
>you to believe what I think will happen, instead I'm integrating a 
>random variable over it's density function.
>
>Bob

Your phrasing was entirely clear to anyone who has the slightest
training in probability.  

Also note that John Edser's style of responding  obscures the history
of the thread , traditionally represented by the '>' symbols at the
start of the line. Some snipping of content,which is entirely
appropriate, has completely removed my comments from the previous
exchange, even though my name appears prominently in the history lines
at the start of the posting.
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