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I don't think we disagree to any great degree on the need to verify =
ballots cast (but hell, we have to do some head-butting with the = election
only a few days away, yes?).=20
I am, however, considerably more worried about verifying the eligibility =
of the voter in "podunk, state, USA" to cast his vote at all
(regardless = of his choice), than I am of the accuracy of a GI's vote as
transmitted = through channels.=20
Why in the world is there so much resistance on the Dem side of the =
equation against having people prove they are who they say they are? I =
can think of no noble reason to fight any or all initiatives to have =
people show ID when they present themselves at the polls to cast a vote =
for the future of our country
"Robert G Lewis" wrote in message =
news:454ad9a7{at}w3.nls.net...
When should the vote be thrown out Mark ? if an absentee ballot =
arrives after the deadline but postmarked before the cutoff date it's =
counted. What about one that is postmarked correctly but arrives a month =
late, or two months or three months , what about a year ? Would you have =
the elected office removed if it changed the total after they were sworn =
in ?
I am making no assumptions here. If the ballots can be verified as to =
the date posted then count them. I don't think the US Military Postal =
Service uses Jungle Masters /medicine Men to run their post offices. = Last
time I checked they used US Military personnel who were supposed to =
follow regulations and SHOULD BE GIVEN THE SUPPORT THEY NEED.Are you =
claiming the current administration is failing to do that ?
On the email votes I am not saying fraud. I am saying there is =
potential for fraud and identify theft. This should be addressed. I'm =
saying we should do everything we can to make sure the elections are =
honest and safe. I want the votes to be what the person sent, not what =
someone running a server in Iraq or wherever changes it to.I also do not =
want the servicemen voting to be exposed to any unnecessary risk in =
voting. Why do you think the additional risk to our service men is worth =
not taking additional precautions to protect their vote and identity ?
"Mark" wrote in message =
news:454ad1e7$1{at}w3.nls.net...
So, if the local jungle master/medicine man runs out of extracted =
jungle berry juice/cactus extract, to use with his postmark stamp, the = GI
should have his vote thrown out?=20
Your assumption seems to be that of a country of 300M people, that =
every single one of the votes of the fraction of a percent that are in =
the military protecting the right to vote of everyone (and the even =
smaller percent that are deployed) are fraudulent? I don't think so.
"Robert G Lewis" wrote in message =
news:454acdce{at}w3.nls.net...
Er the lame claim had to do with following US and State LAWS =
which SHOULD apply to all under the appropriate jurisdiction. And there =
are valid non partisan concerns about the setup which should be =
addressed.=20
"Mark" wrote in message =
news:454ac4b7{at}w3.nls.net...
It does take all kinds. Like trying to cancel out military votes =
because of some lame claim that because they weren't postmarked properly =
in some jungle or desert somewhere, they should be thrown out; then when =
a program is put in place to negate that specious argument, start up a =
new argument -- ostensibly to "protect" the serviceman from ID
theft -- = to continue to try and prevent the most important people in our
country = from having their vote counted.
"Rich Gauszka" wrote in message =
news:454ab6e4{at}w3.nls.net...
It takes all kinds to cheapen the vote - from the million =
dollar Arizona lottery to those who seek to limit minorities as in = Houston.
I do agree that voting is a privilege, a right and a =
responsibility
"Mark" wrote in message =
news:454ab5da{at}w3.nls.net...
I know you're asking Gary, but I don't approve of it, not =
one bit. What the hell is it with all these wackos cheapening our =
democracy with their various nut-job schemes? Run for office and take =
your medicine if you lose, don't whine about it for weeks (or decades) = on
end, just shut the fuck up until/if you run again.
"Rich Gauszka" wrote in message =
news:454ab2ea{at}w3.nls.net...
So I take it you do not approve of the Arizona million =
dollar lottery vote?
"Gary Britt" wrote in =
message news:454aa54b{at}w3.nls.net...
Its still ILLEGAL. The county clerk said there was no =
problem IF it was not against the law. The Mayor rightly determined it =
IS against the law.
Then you quote this bullshit from someone else:
Polls are an ideal place to access large numbers of =
people who need the vaccine."I'm disappointed this has happened,"he = said.
So is the local grocery store, church, liquor store. In =
fact much more likely to get MORE people at those places than a single =
day polling place event. If it was really about serving the poor flu =
shots, they wouldn't be REQUIRED to do it ONLY at polling places on =
election day. How are the drunks who don't vote supposed to get their =
flu shot???? Don't they deserve a flu shot? In fact aren't they more =
in need of a flu shot than people with enough sense to vote? Want to = get
the poor drunks set up outside the local liquor store or 7-eleven.
Its obvious this doesn't have a damn thing to do with =
flu shots for the poor from the perspective of the people paying for the =
program. Hence the "funds only for polling place flu shots".
Gary
Robert G Lewis wrote:=20
During early voting ,NOT on election day and =
apparently cleared by the REPUBLICAN County Clerk and the REPUBLICAN =
Secretary of State. NO REQUIREMENT TO VOTE in order to get the shots. =
Just have to over the age of 50.
=
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Nov02/0,4670,VoteandVaccinate,00.html
Dr. Douglas Shenson, the director of the flu-shot =
program for the foundation, said he does not know of problems with the =
program in any other city.
"It's an entirely nonpartisan and nonpolitical =
activity,"Shenson said."It's not a get-out-the-vote campaign.
It's a = get-out-the-vaccine campaign."
Polls are an ideal place to access large numbers of =
people who need the vaccine."I'm disappointed this has happened,"he = said.
=
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/4298775.html
The "Vote and Vaccination" clinics are in Hispanic and =
black neighborhoods because studies show these ethnic groups are less =
likely to get flu shots, said Porfirio Villarreal, a spokesman for the =
city's health department.
"This has nothing to do with politics," he
said. "It's =
an initiative to reach people who are at high risk and would not go to a =
doctor and clinic, but do take advantage of voting."
I expect you would also object to giving people rides =
to the polls , or handing out absentee ballots.
Why do you object to the local government setting up =
free flu shots in poor areas ? Why do you object to free flu shots for = the poor ?
"Gary Britt"
wrote in =
message news:454a8cda{at}w3.nls.net...
You quoted the part that makes it illegal Robert:
Stephen Williams, the city health chief, and White said the terms of the =
Amerigroup grant required a tie to polling places in medically = undeserved=20
areas where populations are less likely to get vaccinations.
So the "private" funding REQUIRED that the flu shots be given out
ONLY = on election day, and
ONLY at polling places. Yeah that's a real intent to serve the poor =
there. Nothing to do with people canvassing neighborhoods and telling =
people come on down to vote, will drive you, and if you do come down and =
vote you can get a free flu shot.
What if a "private" group wanted to fund some "fun"
into the lives of = the poor neighborhoods where there isn't a lot of
"fun" and set up = funding for people to vote at a local liquor
store and get a free pint = of whiskey of their choice. Would you see any
problems with that? = Because that is EXACTLY the same as this bullshit
flu shot vote fraud = scheme.
Are you and Rich against poor people having some free fun and voting at =
liquor stores?
Gary
Robert G Lewis wrote:=20
From the article
Before launching the program, Williams' staff consulted with Republican=20
Harris County Clerk Beverly Kaufman, the county's top election official, =
who=20
offered support provided that the initiative complied with applicable = laws.
Kaufman's spokesman, David Beirne, said erroneous media reports might = have=20
fueled the perception that voting was related to receiving something of=20
value, which could violate the law. "It's not tied to the voting =
practice,=20
which is a critical element," he said. "We did not see anything
on its = face=20
to indicate that it would be a clear violation of election law."
Scott Haywood, a spokesman for Texas Secretary of State Roger Williams, = also=20
a Republican, said in an e-mail that "there is nothing wrong with a = health=20
clinic being located at the same site that voting is taking place," =
provided=20
that people weren't required to vote to get the service.
Stephen Williams, the city health chief, and White said the terms of the =
Amerigroup grant required a tie to polling places in medically = underserved=20
areas where populations are less likely to get vaccinations.
"Gary Britt" wrote in
message=20 news:454a79b3$1{at}w3.nls.net...
Its the law. Giving somebody booze, cigarettes, money, gold, or a flu =
shot is paying for somebody to vote and violated a very specific statute =
applicable to that region.
Its also bullshit they were trying to reach medically undeserved areas.=20
They were trying to pay people to come vote.
Gary
Phil Payne wrote:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/4304540.html
"Mayor Bill White ordered a halt Wednesday to the city health=20 department's
privately funded drive to offer flu vaccinations at early voting sites = in
predominantly Hispanic and black neighborhoods, amid conservative=20 criticism
that the effort would boost Democratic turnout.
About 1,300 flu shots were given to people age 50 or older in the past=20 three
days under the program, which didn't require the recipients to vote.=20 Health
officials said they were only trying to reach people in medically
underserved communities."
=20
=20
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I don't think we disagree to any great =
degree on=20
the need to verify ballots cast (but hell, we have to do some =
head-butting=20
with the election only a few days away, yes?).
I am, however, considerably more =
worried about=20
verifying the eligibility of the voter in "podunk, state, USA" to
cast = his vote=20
at all (regardless of his choice), than I am of the accuracy of a GI's = vote as=20
transmitted through channels.
Why in the world is there so much =
resistance on the=20
Dem side of the equation against having people prove they are who they = say they=20
are? I can think of no noble reason to fight any or all initiatives to = have=20
people show ID when they present themselves at the polls to cast a vote = for the=20
future of our country <are you happier having 20, 30, or 40 million
= illegals=20
determining your future for you, even if every single one of our = substantially=20
smaller overall number of GI's votes were fraudulent? I'm=20
not.>
"Robert G Lewis" <r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net>">mailto:r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net">r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net>
=
wrote in=20
message news:454ad9a7{at}w3.nls.net...
When should the vote be thrown out Mark ? if an =
absentee=20
ballot arrives after the deadline but postmarked before the cutoff =
date it's=20
counted. What about one that is postmarked correctly but arrives a =
month late,=20
or two months or three months , what about a year ? Would you have the =
elected=20
office removed if it changed the total after they were sworn in =
?
I am making no assumptions here. If the ballots =
can be=20
verified as to the date posted then count them. I don't think the US =
Military=20
Postal Service uses Jungle Masters /medicine Men to run their post =
offices.=20
Last time I checked they used US Military personnel who were supposed =
to=20
follow regulations and SHOULD BE GIVEN THE SUPPORT THEY NEED.Are you =
claiming=20
the current administration is failing to do that ?
On the email votes I am not saying fraud. I am =
saying there=20
is potential for fraud and identify theft. This should be addressed. =
I'm=20
saying we should do everything we can to make sure the elections are =
honest=20
and safe. I want the votes to be what the person sent, not what =
someone=20
running a server in Iraq or wherever changes it to.I also do not want =
the=20
servicemen voting to be exposed to any unnecessary risk in voting. Why =
do you=20
think the additional risk to our service men is worth not taking =
additional=20
precautions to protect their vote and identity ?
"Mark" <nomail{at}hotmail.com>=20">mailto:nomail{at}hotmail.com">nomail{at}hotmail.com>=20
wrote in message news:454ad1e7$1{at}w3.nls.net...
So, if the local jungle =
master/medicine=20
man runs out of extracted jungle berry juice/cactus extract,=20
to use with his postmark stamp, the GI should have his =
vote thrown=20
out?
Your assumption seems to
be that of =
a country=20
of 300M people, that every single one of the votes of the fraction =
of a=20
percent that are in the military protecting the right to vote=20
of everyone (and the even smaller percent that are =
deployed) are=20
fraudulent? I don't think so.
"Robert G Lewis" <r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net>">mailto:r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net">r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net>
= wrote in=20
message news:454acdce{at}w3.nls.net...
Er the lame claim had to do with following US =
and State=20
LAWS which SHOULD apply to all under the=20
appropriate jurisdiction. And there are valid non =
partisan=20
concerns about the setup which should be addressed.
"Mark" <nomail{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:nomail{at}hotmail.com">nomail{at}hotmail.com>
=
wrote in=20
message news:454ac4b7{at}w3.nls.net...
It does take all kinds. Like =
trying to=20
cancel out military votes because of some lame claim that =
because they=20
weren't postmarked properly in some jungle or desert somewhere, =
they=20
should be thrown out; then when a program is put in place to =
negate that=20
specious argument, start up a new argument -- ostensibly to =
"protect"=20
the serviceman from ID theft -- to continue to try and prevent =
the most=20
important people in our country from having their vote=20
counted.
"Rich Gauszka" <gauszka{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:gauszka{at}hotmail.com">gauszka{at}hotmail.com>
wrote in =
message news:454ab6e4{at}w3.nls.net...
It takes all kinds
to cheapen =
the vote -=20
from the million dollar Arizona lottery to those who seek to =
limit=20
minorities as in Houston.
I do agree that voting is a =
privilege, a=20
right and a responsibility <as is military =
service>
"Mark" <nomail{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:nomail{at}hotmail.com">nomail{at}hotmail.com>
wrote in=20
message news:454ab5da{at}w3.nls.net...
I know you're asking Gary, =
but I don't=20
approve of it, not one bit. What the hell is it with all =
these=20
wackos cheapening our democracy with their various nut-job =
schemes?=20
Run for office and take your medicine if you lose, don't =
whine about=20
it for weeks (or decades) on end, just shut the =
fuck up=20
until/if you run again.
"Rich Gauszka" <gauszka{at}hotmail.com>=20">mailto:gauszka{at}hotmail.com">gauszka{at}hotmail.com>=20
wrote in message news:454ab2ea{at}w3.nls.net...
So I take it you do not =
approve of=20
the Arizona million dollar lottery vote?
"Gary Britt" <glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=">mailto:glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com">glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=
>=20
wrote in message news:454aa54b{at}w3.nls.net...Its=20
still ILLEGAL. The county clerk said there was no =
problem=20
IF it was not against the law. The Mayor rightly=20
determined it IS against the law.Then you quote =
this=20
bullshit from someone else:Polls=20
are an ideal place to access large numbers of people who =
need=20
the vaccine."I'm disappointed this has happened,"he=20
said.So is the local grocery store, church, =
liquor=20
store. In fact much more likely to get MORE people =
at=20
those places than a single day polling place =
event. If it=20
was really about serving the poor flu shots, they =
wouldn't be=20
REQUIRED to do it ONLY at polling places on election =
day. =20
How are the drunks who don't vote supposed to get their =
flu=20
shot???? Don't they deserve a flu =
shot? In=20
fact aren't they more in need of a flu shot than people =
with=20
enough sense to vote? Want to get the poor drunks =
set up=20
outside the local liquor store or 7-eleven.Its =
obvious=20
this doesn't have a damn thing to do with flu shots for =
the poor=20
from the perspective of the people paying for the =
program. =20
Hence the "funds only for polling place flu=20
shots".GaryRobert
=
G Lewis=20
wrote:=20
During early voting ,NOT
on =
election=20
day and apparently cleared by the REPUBLICAN County =
Clerk and=20
the REPUBLICAN Secretary of State. NO REQUIREMENT TO =
VOTE in=20
order to get the shots. Just have to over the age of=20
50.
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Nov02/0,4670,VoteandVaccinate,00=
..html">http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Nov02/0,4670,VoteandVaccinate,00=
.html
Dr. Douglas Shenson, the director =
of the=20
flu-shot program for the foundation, said he does not =
know of=20
problems with the program in any other =
city.
"It's an entirely
nonpartisan and=20
nonpolitical activity,"Shenson said."It's not a=20
get-out-the-vote campaign. It's a get-out-the-vaccine=20
campaign."
Polls are an ideal place
to access =
large=20
numbers of people who need the vaccine."I'm =
disappointed this=20
has happened,"he said.
http:/" target="new">http:/=">http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/4298775.html">http:/=
/www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/4298775.html
The "Vote and
Vaccination" clinics =
are in=20
Hispanic and black neighborhoods because studies show =
these=20
ethnic groups are less likely to get flu shots, said =
Porfirio=20
Villarreal, a spokesman for the city's health=20
department.
"This has nothing to do with =
politics," he=20
said. "It's an initiative to reach people who are at =
high risk=20
and would not go to a doctor and clinic, but do take =
advantage=20
of voting."
I expect you would also object to =
giving=20
people rides to the polls , or handing out absentee=20
ballots.
Why do you object to the local =
government=20
setting up free flu shots in poor areas ? Why do you =
object to=20
free flu shots for the poor ?
"Gary Britt" <glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=">mailto:glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com">glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=
>=20
wrote in message news:454a8cda{at}w3.nls.net...You=20
quoted the part that makes it illegal =
Robert:Stephen Williams,
the city health chief, = and White said the terms of the=20
Amerigroup grant required a
tie to polling =
places in medically undeserved=20 areas
where populations are less likely to get vaccinations.
So the "private" funding
REQUIRED that the flu =
shots be given out ONLY on election day, and ONLY at polling places. Yeah
that's a real intent to serve the poor = there. Nothing to do with people
canvassing neighborhoods and telling = people come on down to vote, will
drive you, and if you do come down and = vote you can get a free flu shot.
What if a "private" group wanted to fund some "fun"
into the lives of = the poor neighborhoods where there isn't a lot of
"fun" and set up = funding for people to vote at a local liquor
store and get a free pint = of whiskey of their choice. Would you see any
problems with that? = Because that is EXACTLY the same as this bullshit
flu shot vote fraud = scheme.
Are you and Rich against poor people having some free fun and voting at =
liquor stores?
Gary
Robert
G Lewis wrote:=20
From the article
Before launching the program, Williams' staff consulted with Republican=20
Harris County Clerk Beverly Kaufman, the county's top election official, =
who=20
offered support provided that the initiative complied with applicable = laws.
Kaufman's spokesman, David Beirne, said erroneous media reports might = have=20
fueled the perception that voting was related to receiving something of=20
value, which could violate the law. "It's not tied to the voting =
practice,=20
which is a critical element," he said. "We did not see anything
on its = face=20
to indicate that it would be a clear violation of election law."
Scott Haywood, a spokesman for Texas Secretary of State Roger Williams, = also=20
a Republican, said in an e-mail that "there is nothing wrong with a = health=20
clinic being located at the same site that voting is taking place," =
provided=20
that people weren't required to vote to get the service.
Stephen Williams, the city health chief, and White said the terms of the =
Amerigroup grant required a tie to polling places in medically = underserved=20
areas where populations are less likely to get vaccinations.
"Gary Britt" <glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=">mailto:glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com"><glbNOSPAM{at}gencogDOTcom.com=
> wrote in message=20
news:454a79b3$1{at}w3.nls.net...
Its the =
law. Giving somebody booze, cigarettes, money, gold, or a flu=20 shot is
paying for somebody to vote and violated a very specific statute =
applicable to that region.
Its also bullshit they were trying to reach medically undeserved areas.=20
They were trying to pay people to come vote.
Gary
Phil Payne wrote:
http:=">http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/4304540.html">http:=
//www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/4304540.html
"Mayor Bill White ordered a halt Wednesday to the city health=20 department's
privately funded drive to offer flu vaccinations at early voting sites = in
predominantly Hispanic and black neighborhoods, amid conservative=20 criticism
that the effort would boost Democratic turnout.
About 1,300 flu shots were given to people age 50 or older in the past=20 three
days under the program, which didn't require the recipients to vote.=20 Health
officials said they were only trying to reach people in medically
underserved communities."
=
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