John W Edser wrote:
> Post A16
> 
> 
>>>snip<
>>>JE:-
>>>How can a rule that purports to draw a line in the
>>>sand between OFA and OFM  only support OFA
>>>when that line has been proven to only be arbitrary?
> 
> 
>>BOH:-
>>Because it doesn't purport to draw a line in the sand.  I keep on asking
>>for evidence from you that it has been used to do this, and so far you
>>have failed to provide any.
> 
> 
> JE:-
> I repeat:
> The evidence is simply, the rule _was_ used to
> support OFA after classical group selection
> failed to do so. You agreed that this was the
> case. Unless the rule HAD BEEN USED to separate
> OFM from OFA such a claim would have been logically
> impossible. 

Huh?  Are you now saying that the rule hasn't been used to separate OFM 
from OFA?



I've decided there isn't any point is arguing any more.  You're 
consistently mis-representing or mis-understanding what I write, adding 
meaning which i certainly didn't intend, and even when I try to clarify 
my meaning, you continue to mis-represente or mis-understand.  I have 
been trying to make a simple point, that c can be measured irrespectivde 
of Hamilton's rule (or even its existence!), but you don't seem to be 
getting it.

On the subject of time frames, they were defined by Fisher in 1930, when 
he defined hisa measure of (absolute) fitness.  Therefore Hamilton 
didn't need to define any time frame himself - the definition would be 
understood by anyone who knew enough theoretical evolutionary biology to 
understand the paper(s).

Bob

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