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-+- In teroknor{at}yahoogroups.com, qevan{at}a... wrote:
> Oscar Medina cuthbertallgood2002{at}y... screamed [teroknor] Re: A Few
Two Towers Observations  *SP!
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> > > Another screen or so down.  You've been warned.
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> > > Faramir?  Forcing Frodo/Sam/Gollum to Osgiliath?
> > > Faramir was supposed to be the smarter, gentler
> > > brother.  Here he's a Boromir wannabe instead of a
> > > Boromir apologist.
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> > I kind of liked the change.  The bits in Osgiliath reminded me
> > of "Saving Private Ryan".
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> Well, I didn't.  The intent of the Farimir character IMHO was to
show
> that there was still 'honor' in the human race outside of the
Dunedain.

Faramir was Dunedain.  The Stewards of Gondor were descended from a
Numenorean family, according to Appendix A.  Still, your point is valid.

> > > They never drank Ent-draughts?  I suppose
> > > Merry/Pippin aren't going to grow...
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> > I think these bits will be in the Extended Edition, if rumor is
> > correct.
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> Certainly hope so.  Like the "Azh nazh derbanduluk.." speech by
> Gandalf at the Council...and the presentation of the gifts...And
the
> midgy marshes...and mentioning the stone-trolls...and Lothelia and
> Otho...and Gimli's love for Galadrial...all in the EE of FOTR.

I don't mind some of the bits they cut out.  They left out a *lot*, and the
movie was still three hours.  Some things were also changed to increase the
tension, like the Nazgul buzzing them in the Dead Marshes in TT.  Otherwise
it would just have been two hobbits and one ex-hobbit slogging through a
swamp.  I found that the faithfulness fell to bits just after they left
Edoras (in the 'Book III' thread) and after the encounter with the Rangers
of Ithilien (in Book IV).
*Elves* at *Helm's Deep*?  My reaction to that was "What?!," which
Smeagol/Gollum echoed a bit later when he was talking to himself.

> > > I had the same reaction to the movie that I did to
> > > the book in one place...Saruman is this almighty
> > > wizard..and just *watches* the Ents destroy
> > > Isengard?  WTF?  No staff-waving and energy
> > > blasting?

The Istari were forbidden to use overt power by the Valar, so maybe their
human bodies didn't come with those features.  Of course, Mithrandir zapped
the Nazgul with a white light at the Battle of the Pelennor, and Saruman
had fallen into darkness and defied the Valar.

> > I noticed that too.  Maybe Gandalf messed him up by yanking him
out
> > of Theoden.
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> All that's left is his voice..

That certainly fits with the mythology Tolkien established.  Sauron was
overthrown 'cause he poured his power into the Ring, and he lost that power
when it was destroyed.  I can't see Saruman investing that much in a
puppet-king, though, and the book seemed to suggest that it was Grima's
mutterings in his ear that laid Theoden low, and no sorcery from Saruman. 
I'll need to reread that passage to be sure, though.

> > > How can anyone, even Theoden, ever take the advice
> > > of someone who just /exudes/ evil and treachery
> > > like Grima?
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> > Brad Dourif has a hell of a resume now, though...he's played some
of
> > the slimiest people in sci-fi and fantasy now...first as Piter
> > in "Dune" and now Wormtoungue.  I liked it when he got tossed
down
> > the steps...I'd like to do that to Rick Berman and Brannon Braga.

Curse Berman for snubbing Wil Wheaton and not inviting him to the Nemesis premiere.

StevieTheWonderGuy
LegolasImpersonator


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