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From: "Vern Humphrey" 
Reply-To: r_catholic-l{at}yahoogroups.com

To: Michael D Brazier [mailto:mdbrazier{at}juno.com]
>
>
> Actually, just at the moment, I'm not defending any policy at all;
> and I'm not asking you to prove your preferred policy will
> succeed.  Rather, I have already proven that your preferred
> policy will _not_ succeed.  It's not that there's a risk of failure.
> Failure, on your lines, is _certain_.

And now you make my point.  Israel's policy has ALREADY failed, and has
failed for 50 years.

But you say (based on no analysis) that failure of my suggestion is
"certain."

> My dear idiot,

This is why I say there is no point in continuing this discussion.


> > I propose to attack the problem by attacking the real causes --
> > bringing about a Palestinian state, and recognizing the Palestinians
> > as fully human and with the same rights as anyone else.
>
> You propose, in other words, to treat the false beliefs of the Arabs
> as wholly determined by causes external to the Arabs.  You hold
> that the Arabs are not responsible for what they believe, and we
> cannot expect rational argument, of any kind, to move them.

As opposed to treating the false beliefs of the Israelis as wholly
determined by causes external to the Israelis?  Do you hold that the
Isralis are not responsible for what they believe and do, and we cannot
expect rational argument, of any kind, to move them?

That's no analysis -- thats arrogance on the same level as saying "My
dear idiot."

Now, how about citing your experience in combat, or your military training.
Let's see your credentials in strategy.  Then you can cite basic principles
as you do your analysis.
>


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