From: Gene McAloon 

On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 06:12:27 -0400, "Geo."  wrote:

>"Gene McAloon"  wrote in message
>news:utavb0pt8oj6rdu36o06oavpvv10k26imm{at}4ax.com...
>
>> No, you didn't call it. There is considerable speculation about why he was
>> "invited" to leave, but it most certainly was not about
the prison abuses.
>The
>> CIA is only peripherally involved in that scandal.
>
>Bullshit, the CIA is at the heart of the prisoner abuse issue and that's why
he
>is out. You watch, it will come out.
>
>Someone here bet me it wouldn't go any higher than the general in charge of
the
>prison and I said either Tenet or Rumsfeld would get canned for it and my
money
>was on Tenet. You must have missed that post.
>
>Geo.
>
Naw, you have got it all wrong, Geo. The abuse at the Baghdad prison didn't even
start until the Army intelligence crew from Gitmo got there with orders to apply
the same methods being used at Gitmo. According to media reports, the local
CIA station chief in Baghdad, upon hearing that, withdrew his people from
the Baghdad prison.

In any case, both the Gitmo and Baghdad prisons are run by the Army, not
the CIA. The latter has access to the prisoners only on sufferance of the
Army intelligence people, which no doubt is why the CIA has its own
detention centers, although they are only in Afghanistan and not in Iraq -
or so it is said.

As for really high-ups being cashiered because of prisoner abuse, that is
most certainly not going to happen. Blame for that kind of thing is too
easily passed
off onto the small fry at the prisons, from privates to generals. At that,
the prisoner abuse, if the photos are typical, was no big deal as such
things go. It
seem to have been just humiliation and some stress stuff. Not exactly up to
de Sade's standards.  I know that kind of stuff is forbidden by the Geneva
Conventions, but this administration doesn't care about that and neither do
the Republicans in Congress. On the other hand, there are media reports of
some 37 deaths of prisoners in both Afghanistan and Iraq. If true, that
could be more serious.

In any case, this is an Army/DoD scandal and only peripherally a CIA scandal and
no one, but no one, at the cabinet level will be dismissed as a result of it and
that includes Tenet. The ugly truth is that nobody really gives a rat's ass
about prisoner abuse. We have a lot of that kind of thing in every one of
our domestic prisons and nobody gives a rat's ass about that either.

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