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From: "Vern Humphrey" 
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To: seanmbrook{at}aol.com [mailto:seanmbrook{at}aol.com]
> >
> > VH> If the Holy Spirit was going to do it for us, why did He
> allow this mess
> > in
> > the first place?
> > >
>  Because, while Our Lord promised that the Holy Spirit
>  would be with us, our free wills are not going to be
>  forced.  God eventually raises up good bishops and
>  popes THRU using human beings, not FORCING them.
>
>  What I'm trying to say is that while God uses human
>  instruments, He also respects their free will.

Which is exactly my point -- God expects US to clean up this mess.

> > VH> Yes -- but we live NOW.  To hope things will get better
> after we're gone
> > isn't much comfort.
> > >
>  But, the knowledge that bad times can and have been
>  reversed in the past should encourage us to work for
>  reform and better times in the future.  The Catholic
>  Refomation beginning in the 1540's also comes to mind.
>
Provided we DO work for them!

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