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from: Vern Humphrey
date: 2003-05-31 08:15:02
subject: RE: [R_Catholic-L] OT: Urban warfare and the Battle of Iraq

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From: "Vern Humphrey" 
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To: seanmbrook{at}aol.com [mailto:seanmbrook{at}aol.com]
> > >
> > SMB> Good. And, yes, seizing an embassy is an act
> > > of war.
> >
> > VH> And we should have treated it as such.
> >
>  Correct.  Unfortunately, we did not. We had the mis-
>  fortune to be led by a weak and ineffectual President.

Had we acted with strength on that and many other occasions, we would not
be in the situation we are now in.
>
> > VH> This is an example of want I mean about "organizational
> morality."  A
> > man
> > may turn the other cheek.  A president may not.
> > >
>  Correct.  Carter was thinking like a private person, not
>  as a head of state.  Rulers cannot afford to turn the other
>  cheek when it comes to the safety of their countries.

And he didn't understand that -- still doesn't.
>
> > SMB> Hmmm, it would have been sweet if the US had
> > > nabbed that murderous thug Khomeini!
> >
> > VH> Him, we would have kept and not admitted we had him.
> > >
>  Ummm, NOT use a captive Khomeini to force the release
>  of the US Embassy and squeeze a fat indemnity out of
>  the Iranians?  Lock up Khomeini in the wilds of Alaska?

I think in the process of getting Khomeini, we'd have freed the hostages,
too -- so we wouldn't need him for trading.
>
>


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