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from: SAMMY FINKELMAN
date: 1997-06-18 14:23:00
subject: Is this transcript real?

I got this through someone else - it may have originally been on the
"Paris Match forum"
 TEXT OF RADIO COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN FAA AND TWO COMMERCIAL
 AIRCRAFT IN THE VICINITY OF LONG ISLAND,
 NEW YORK,ON NOVEMBER
 17, 1995, at 2220 hrs. (EST).
 LUFT: Uh, Boston, Lufthansa 405/Heavy.
 FAA:   Lufthansa 405, go ahead.
 LUFT: Uh, we just passed traffic on the left wing, uh, about
   2,000 to 3,000 feet above us. What
   traffic was it?
 FAA: Is this Lufthansa 405?
 LUFT:Affirmative, Lufthansa 405. We had
 opposite traffic on the left wing. Can you confirm this?
 FAA: Lufthansa 405, negative. I
 show no traffic in your area within, uh, 20 or 30 miles.
 LUFT: It should be now on our tail, about 10 miles.
 We passed it just one minute ago, and it was looking strange.
 BRIT: (British Air, Concord)Speed Bird 226 confirms that.
   It was just above us on our left-hand side about 3 minutes ago.
 FAA: What altitude does it appear to be at, Lufhansa 405?
 LUFT: It was only 2 or 3 thousand feet above us. We are now passing
        (Flight) Level (26,000 ft)
     That's confirmed, or not?  Lufthansa.
 FAA: Lufthansa 405, roger.
 BRIT: Speed Bird 226, we confirm that. We had something go past us
       about two, well...about one to two thousand feet above on the left
       hand side. Uh, looked like a green trail on it,
     and a very bright light on the front of it. We
     assumed it was an opposite traffic.
 FAA: Speed Bird 226, roger that.
    LUFT:((Garbled))..Lufthansa 405/Heavy. we are right now
      about 26 miles east of "Hotel Tango
      Oscar ((Hampton??))." And the Speed Bird is now
       ahead, or behind us ((or where))?
   FAA: Lufthansa 405, the Speed Bird is in your
      12:00 o'clock, and about 30 miles, 40 miles.
    LUFT: That was not our traffic. Lufthansa 405 Heavy.
    FAA: Lufthansa 405, roger.
      And the heading of the traffic, was it the same
      direction, or opposite direction?
    LUFT: Exactly opposite. Lufthansa 405/Heavy.
    FAA: Roger. Did it pass off your right side?
    LUFT: Uh, left side.
    FAA: Roger.
    BRIT: Yea, Speed Bird 226 confirms that. We saw the
      same thing. It certainly looked like an aircraft
      initially, but it may not have been one.
    LUFT: ((We can't tell then??)) It was looking very
      strange, with a long, uh, light, in the tail.
    BRIT: Yea, a big bright white light on the
      front, and a greenish tail coming out the back.
    LUFT: Can you confirm this, Lufthansa 405/Heavy.
    FAA: OK, Luft405, Speed Bird 226. Thanks, we'll look into it.???
        ((Garbled transmissions))
    FAA: Speed Bird 226, did it go over...did it go overhead.
         go over you, or was it below you
   BRIT: It was overhead and off to the left,
       much the same as ((garbled)). It actually
       looked about...opposite traffic, 2000 feet above.
       That's what it initially looked like. But
        then it did have a very strong trail to it...a
       vapor trail, which looked more like smoke. And
       the light on the front was very, very bright,and
        as it went past us, it seemed to ((just?))
        disappear and ((went)) 5 miles behind us.
   FAA: Speed Bird, 226, roger. Were you level at
       29 (29.000 ft) at that time?
   BRIT: Yea, affirmative.
   FAA:Roger. Lufthansa 405, how far off to your
      side did that pass, the traffic pass?
   LUFT: It was pretty close, and like Speed Bird said, it
     looked like ((four??)) or three thousand feet
     above on the left wing, just one mile and, uh,
      on opposite track... It doesn't have, ...it didn't
     have any uh, lights...((normal)) lights,
     beacon lights, or red or green lights. Only a
     white light in the front, and with a long green
     light. It looked like a U-F-O.
   FAA: Lufthansa 405, roger that. Like I said, we had nothing
     flying in the area. You are just north of a
     military operating area, but the traffic shouldn't
     have varied out that far out,...out of the area.
  LUFT: Must have been a military. Lufthansa 405/Heavy.
 FAA: Roger. Giant Killer, ((garbled))
 GK: Giant Killer. (US Navy W 105)                              (or someone)
 FAA: Hey, you got anything flying out in the area?  <== Kay P. seems to have
 GK: Negative, ((105 is??)) turned over. 0300.       <==  repeated lines here
 FAA: Well, I just received a couple of UFO reports.       I corrected it.
 GK:  Oh, is that right?
 FAA? Yea, I had a couple of
   guys that reported lights, just moved all
   over their heads. I have no traffic whatsoever in
   the area. They said it passed within a mile
   of them, like at 2-3 thousand feet above them,
   opposite direction. ((Garbled)) green trail
    out the back.
 GK: It could have been a meteor, or something.
 FAA: ((Garbled--Yeah, it could have been that.....it passed
                                 within a mile
    within a mile of them.))
 GK: Who reported that?
 FAA: Well, I got Speed Bird and Lufthansa.
 GK: No, we don't have any aircraft out there.
 FAA: OK.
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If this is a real transcript, what, if anything, did anybody conclude
that it was?
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