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echo: philos
to: PETER FRAZER
from: ANDREW CUMMINS
date: 1998-02-15 13:21:00
subject: CONTRIBUTIONS TO SOCIETY

] -=> Quoting Peter Frazer to Andrew Cummins <=-
 PF> I was trying to see what you meant, in relation to you saying  killing
 PF> was wrong. I must have seen  to many popular movies I thought your
 PF> forbears killed some of the native Americans.
Anyway, whites generally only killed Indians in self-defense.
Indians were savages who who reneged on treaties and took pride
in attacking civilians.  BTW, I'll assume that your usage of
"native American" isn't the typical racist and moronic reference
contemporary American Indians as if a native American like
myself is a foreigner.
 PF> If I come and take your property and say I can be more productive with
 PF> it than you, is it a moral act for me to take your property? I assume
 PF> we agree that it is not morally acceptable.
Who could be more productive isn't the issue.  There were
fewer Indians in America 500 years ago than there are people
in a typical big city.  Most of America was unoccupied in
any permanent sense.  You can't steal what no one owns.
White people seem to have a gene for guilt.  Even though whites
gave the world modern civilization and are far nicer to other
races than other races are to whites, we just feel like we owe
others.  In America, Indians are exempt from many taxes (indeed,
they can escape all taxes) and laws, they are allowed to run
businesses that are otherwise illegal for whites (e.g. gambling
and now in California bars that allow smokers), and not pay any
taxes on the proceeds.  But, they can benefit from anything
American citizens can (e.g. welfare and public schools).  Is
that fair?
 PF> Now on the modern migration of people to the US, let me see. I don't
 PF> know a thing about it. You're have to tell me more.
This nation of full of negroes who cry that they were brought
here against their will (it must be that they get lots of
preferential treatment here while they would be slaves to poverty
and violence in Africa).  Yet, they don't try to migrate to
Africa, and many thousands of Africans migrate to the USA each
year.  Hundreds of thousands of Mexicans try to get into America
each year.  Cubans come over on anything that floats.
 PF> I do know that I really don't want Spanish speakers to ever to get to
 PF> the position of being able to take the US over linguistically.
My desire to have English as the official language has nothing
to do with the unlikely event of Spanish becoming the dominate
language in America.  English should be the official language
so that there will be a guarantee that there will always be
English versions of government documents, to send a message
to foreign immigrants that they are expected to learn English,
and as legal protection for when some racism moron jury opens
the floodgates to lawsuits should a government document not
be provided in 10,000 different languages and dialects.
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