From: Gene McAloon 

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:32:58 +0200, Phil Payne
 wrote:

>http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1248738,00.html
>
>"The most controversial paragraph said that laws prohibiting torture do
>"not apply to the president's detention and interrogation of enemy
>combatants" as commander in chief.
>
>It added that congress "may no more regulate the president's ability to
>detain and interrogate enemy combatants than it may regulate his ability to
>direct troop movements on the battlefield"."
>
>Detention and torture by presidential decree?  Where have I heard that this
>was a bad thing?
>
>Oh, that's right.  Wasn't some guy in the Middle East recently accused of
>that?  In his case, though, with little proof.  Not the case with Shrub.
>
>What a truly vile nation you have become, in such a short time.  Remember
>me saying, a couple of years ago, that the USA was on the road to repeating
>the excesses of the Wehrmacht and the SS, and how I was scorned and
>ridiculed.  Well, guys, it's happened.  And not only is it not stopping,
>it's getting worse.

Indeed you were scorned and ridiculed and deservedly so. You still deserve scorn
and ridicule although at this point perhaps a bit of pity as well. Increasingly
you sound like an old fuddy-duddy of a Brit eccentric lost in a WWII time
warp. It is profoundly silly stuff and not a little pathetic.
>
>Not only has the CIA implicitly admitted it uses Gestapo tactics (as Adam
>pointed out, simulated drowning was a Gestapo favourite and the CIA uses
>it) but it's also said it will continue using them at Guantanamo and some
>other facilities.
>
>NAZI Germany is still reviled, even today.  How long will it take the USA
>to recover its reputation?

The answer to that is easy; the moment Bush is out of office. Look at your
own polls. They are anti-Bush, not anti-American.  That is true everywhere.
>
>There's another odd parallel.  There isn't a scrap of evidence linking
>Hitler to the "Final Solution".  Every track ends right
outside his door -
>Heydrich, Eichmann, Goebbels, etc., but never Hitler himself.  There isn't
>a "Fhrerbefehl" for the gas chambers, though those for the
invasions of
>Poland, the Soviet Union, etc., have all survived.
>
>Shrub's been studying history.
>
>And yes - I do equate the USA with NAZI Germany, more and more with each
>passing day.  The Germans didn't think they were doing anything wrong
>either.

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