From: "Geo." 

"Gene McAloon"  wrote in message
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> That is total bullshit, Geo, all of it. It is Bush who took their country
from
> them. It is Bush and his Iraqi puppets who are trying to re-order Iraq in
> keeping with American goals. It is those Iraqi puppet who are helping to make
of
> Iraq another US client state.  From a nationalist point of view, they are all
> traitors.

From Saddams point of view it's puppet, from the people's point of view
it's far more under their control then ever before.

> Allawi is the worst of them. He is a former CIA operative and is even now
> proposing draconian police state policies little different from those under
> Saddam and all for the purpose of making Iraq safer for the Americans

He is addressing the concerns of the Iraqi people who's top concern right
now is security. The "draconian police state policies" are not
nation wide, they are only being imposed in certain hot spots.

> Consider Afghanistan. There is a real chance for democracy under Karsai, but
we
> have already abandoned him because we prefer to ally with the southern war
lords
> so we can chase around looking for remnants of AQ and of course failing to
find
> them and on those rare occasion when we do accomplish nothing because, quite
> mysteriously, the seem to fade away through the war lords troops.

they are still backing Karsai, true Iraq has been a bit of a distraction
but that really doesn't mean we have abandoned him.

> You have to be as blind as a bat to believe Bush ever had any intentions of
> bringing democracy to either Iraq or Afghanistan,

Oh I don't believe that for one minute although I do believe it a worthy
goal. I'm clear on Afghanistan, bush went there with our full support to
take down the lying sacks of shit taliban who kept trying to protect osama,
that was both justified and required imo. Iraq on the other hand is still a
bit of a mystery to me, I'm not sure why bush pushed so hard for that.

Geo.

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