On 02-11-98 Todd Henson wrote to Day Brown... 
 TH>  DB> No, I am saying that when you do look at something, ... 
 TH>  DB> that that *observation* affects the observed. Thus,  
 TH>  DB> you cannot have 'reality independent of the observer'.  
 TH>  
 TH> Funny, quantum experiments have absolutely never demonstrated that. 
I don't agree Todd. 
 TH> QM experiments have demonstrated that "observations" affect the 
 TH> observed 
 TH> because in the process of measuring/observing, the device must 
 TH> interact 
 TH> with the observed, such as by bouncing a photon off of an observed 
 TH> particle. 
 TH> This collision changes the photon and the returning photon now gives 
 TH> us info 
 TH> about the particle, but it has also altered the state of the particle. 
 TH> This type of observation is what QM has taught us. 
This kind of interaction between the observer's device, and what it 
was designed to observe was what I had in mind Todd. 
  
 TH> ... In no way has QM showed 
 TH> that you can telepathically alter the color of a laser beam just by 
 TH> thinking, 
 TH> or any other kind of alterations on matter/energy, which is exactly
 TH> what your conclusions lead to. 
From the standoint of philosophy, I don't see the problem posed in 
this way.  Telepathy may not be the correct concept.  Their recent 
experiment with a pair of 25km fiber optic cables which showed the 
photon coming out of one being influenced by the state of one that 
came out of the other end some 50km away suggests influence passes 
along an extra-dimensional form of reality, inasmuch as the effect 
seems instantaneous, or at least, in excess of the speed of light. 
 
IMO, QM *requires* at least two more dimensions.  Since we already 
know that three are all that's needed to make a functioning device 
that can have, as above, an effect on other dimensions, I wondered 
what a system using these other dimensions could do.  One of those 
things it does, is present the reality system you see. 
 
One of the other things that is going on is that there are systems 
in conventional reality that interact with these other dimensions, 
which appear to do nothing in the familiar ones.  Just because you 
are unaware does not mean nothing is going on. 
 
QM also demonstrates that conventional reality is made of up forms 
which are almost entirely empty space with the virtually identical 
groups of sub-atomic particles.  The difference between them and a 
group of reality pixels escapes me.  Once you grok that reality is 
a collection of pixels projected into three dimensional space, the 
inconsistencies of quantum mechanics are just as apparant as those 
you would get trying to describe a screen image with only two of a 
set of three dimensions. 
 
Likewise, watching the screen over time, you would conclude that a 
form of a particular shape will have a particular effect; which it 
may well have, but that does not preclude forms that seem to be of 
simple structure, having elements in other dimensions, thus having 
effects in other dimensions you don't perceive.  Likewise, effects 
exist for which you perceive no related form, and much of the work 
we deal with here is related to describing those effects, and what 
form is responsible for them. 
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