Hi,
 >>>  JS> Of these thousands, I also believe that those with a high degree of
 >>>  JS> technology probably are humanoid in appearence.
 >>> Why?
 >  BK>  Why not?
 > Why?
 You asked Jack 'why?' , I asked you 'why not?'
 You have made no attempt to answer me, I wonder 'why not?'
 Perhaps i should say that because I am skeptical of your skepticims you 
cannot answer with any definition that I or most would find to be reasonable.
 >>  JS> It's hard to explain, but it's best chalked up to vanity and my own
 >>  JS> religious beliefs.
 >> Not really a good basis for rational scientific discussion.
 >  BK>  Why isn't it?
 > Because religious BELIEF has nothing to do with
 > SCIENTIFIC discussion.  It seems pretty
 > straightforward.
 Well this is where you are completely wrong but as religious discussion is 
off topic here I will simply leave you to think about it a little more 
eply.
 >  BK> Most of our 'scientists' have their vision clouded by their beliefs.
 > Really?  And you can prove this claim, of course?
 I don't have to prove it, its a fact!
 Most people have their vision clouded by preconceived concepts, very few can 
step aside from their childhood conditioning completely.
 It certainly applies to most skeptics, their mind has closed off except in 
the direction of complete disbelief and acceptance of anything outside of 
their limited comprehension.
 >  BK>  Why do millions of people speculate on beliefs they cannot
 >  BK> substantiate under the guise of religion?
 > Beats the heck outta me.  :-)
 Perhaps you should think about it instead of continually condemning those 
who have concepts outside of your ability to comprehend.
 >  BK>  If you are going to blame one or another persons ideas and beliefs
 >  BK> for what others may or may not do then you are going to have to
 >  BK> rewrite history.
 > Huh?  I wasn't blaming Jack, specifically, for
 > Heaven's Gate.  But, as James Randi once said (on
 > Dateline NBC, actually), "It's a dangerous thing to
 > believe in nonsense."
 One day you may also find out that to always be skeptical is a very 
dangerous concept.
 The early bird catches the worm, the second mouse gets the cheese.
 >  BK>  Skeptics bring doubt and alternatives into the debates.  Often 
hough
 >  BK> there is no more rationality, critical thinking or science in their
 >  BK> arguements.
 > Tarring a bunch of skeptics with this one brush
 > doesn't help any, Bob.  IF you see a skeptic doing
 > something like that, then please point it out.  I know
 > that I certainly always try to bring rationality,
 > critical thinking, and science into debates on these
 > topics.
 I am not tarring all with anything, I am talking to YOU.
 >  BK>  Scientists are often so wrapped up in their own convoluted ideas 
hey
 >  BK> cannot even see common sense let alone be rational.
 > Again you are attacking scientists as a whole, but
 I am not, read it again. The word 'often' is not scientists as a whole.
 > without any specific examples.  Certainly scientists
 > are human, and therefore not perfect.  But that
 > doesn't mean you can just ignore them based on a
 > generalization like the one you have here.
  I never suggested they be ignored, you are reading what is not there, 
ain.
  sig rex
.. skeptics, no, I don't believe in them!..
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