AK> 
 AK>>> Taliban was created by the US as a weapon against the USSR, as
 AK>>> well as Bin Laden, who was, one time, a

 BK>> Not the Taliban, more Bin Laden's friends. The Taliban started with
 BK>> an Afghan Cleric outraged at the corruption of the warlords. His
 BK>> group would have been OK if they had brought and end to the
 BK>> oppression of the warlords, but instead he changed one oppressor
 BK>> for another.

 AK>    The Taliban movement traces its origin to the
 AK>    Pakistani-trained mujahideen in northern Pakistan,
 AK>    during the Soviet war in Afghanistan. So, The Taliban is

 Oh yes, the fighters of the Taliban. Also the Taliban was
 supported by the Wahhabi religious groups such as Bin Laden,
 even, perhaps, part of that alignment.

 AK>    just a political personification of this movement after
 AK>    the war with the USSR and falling Najibullah's
 AK>    government.

 Ok, that I do agree with.

 ...

 AK>>> It is not correct, by a simple reason - Saddam had never refused
 AK>>> to sell Iraqi oil for the US. Vice versa - on

 BK>> The US did not invade to get the oil, but to control the oil. A
 BK>> group called the Project For A New American Century wanted to take
 BK>> the oil and use it to break the Saudi control of OPEC. Big oil
 BK>> wanted control of the oil also, but not to break Saudi control. Big
 BK>> Oil had more power.

 AK>    So what was in the result of the war? Does the US
 AK>    control Iraqi oil now?

 Nope. You gotta win the war to get what you want.

 AK> 
 AK>>> You said, you don't have a special police force in the US which is
 AK>>> trained to disperse people's rallies? I saw

 BK>> Not Military.

 AK>>> myself how violently were dispersed the people from "Occupy Wall
 AK>>> street" movement.

 BK>> Those were local police, not military.

 AK>    Do you think there is a big difference who disperse
 AK>    people's rallies? In general, all the forces that

 Yes. The local police in one place can be quite different from
 another place. We had our own small Occupy movement here, the
 police did not bother them.

 AK>    participate in it are the state armed forces, they carry
 AK>    out orders and they have no right to discuss the orders
 AK>    they get. If the police special forces need help the
 AK>    military will get involved.

 In this country that requires special circumstances. The local
 police cannot call in the military, not even the State National
 Guard or reserves. The governor has to call in the State troops,
 and the president has to declare a national emergency to send in
 federal troops. That would lead to even more protestors taking
 to the streets.

 AK>    In general, the coup in Egypt shows us what can happen
 AK>    when the military and the police are out of public
 AK>    control and replace democracy.

 That is certainly true. It also shows what happens when you mix
 religion and government.



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