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BK>>The point of affirmative action is to insure success is
BK>>distributed regardless of race. Only those who oppose AA must
BK>>believe there is no racial compenent to poverty.

 LL> The point of affirmative action is to discriminate in favor
 LL> of minorities - in most cases meaning blacks.  Once equality

 You really are not familar with the history of affirmative
 action, are you. Some years back I found one of the annual
 almanacs, don't recall which but one of the top ones, had
 regular analysis of affirmative action. They found that 90% of
 the benefits of affirmative action went to whites.

 LL> has been reached, affirmative action programs are no longer
 LL> needed and should be dismantled.  However, once inequalities
 LL> re-emerge, affirmative action programs should be put back
 LL> in place.  This on again/off again approach is the only way
 LL> affirmative action programs can work in a truly fair manner.

 Since Equality has not been reached, that's not relevant, yet.

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BK>>Which is true. We need affirmative action for all the poor in
BK>>America.

 LL> Bob Dole said much the same thing, but wanted to change it
 LL> from being a race-based program to being an economic-based

 Which would mean, in the real world, focusing on white poor
 first.

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 LL>>> Black folks are more discriminatory of their own than any
 LL>>> other race. There are dark-skinned blacks, light-skinned
 LL>>> blacks, blacks who pass for white ...

BK>>When you are reduced to survival level your competitors are not
BK>>those well off, but those like you scrambling to survive.

 LL> Let's see how well those who are presently on disability
 LL> (SSDI) manage to survive when their checks are cut by 20
 LL> percent in 2016. Let's see how those on disability manage
 LL> to survive when conservative Republicans undo at least some
 LL> of Ronald Reagan's 1984 reform that expanded the kinds of
 LL> disabilities covered.

 Yes, they worship the name of Reagan, but his actual policies
 are anathema.

 LL> Do you think the Congress will do anything to save the SSDI
 LL> trust program?  By doing nothing, the cuts take effect

 Not if the Tea Party can stop them.

 LL> automatically. What will happen is Republican lawmakers
 LL> will say something along the lines of "Let's compromise" to
 LL> the Democrats, and then refuse to go along with anything
 LL> the Democrats propose.  To obstruct, by any means
 LL> necessary, resulting in getting exactly what they want,
 LL> while blaming Obama at the same time.

 Well, yeah, but that's their SOP.

 LL> After gutting the SSDI program, Republican lawmakers will
 LL> move on to gutting the Social Security program for retirees
 LL> age 65 and over. Won't that be grand?

 Gutting SSDI will cause so much trouble, and even trying to end
 Social Security, the republicans will lose all the control they
 have now.

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 LL>  let's keep SSI and medicaid, as funding for those programs

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 LL> Imagine that.  Folks who never worked a day in their life
 LL> are better off than folks who worked their butts off their
 LL> entire lives.

 An awful lot of those on SSI and Medicaid have worked, and
 Medicaid is 2/3rds the handicapped and elderly, last I checked.

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 LL> seems to me that most folks would prefer having a bit of
 LL> free time after having worked for sixty or seventy fucking
 LL> years.

 Trust me, you are right. Though is just seems to me like a long
 string of days off, or a very long vacation.

BK>>When I was young they could tell us, if we succeeded in school
BK>>we would have jobs. Now they tell kids, if they succeed in
BK>>school it's less likely they will be the ones without jobs,
BK>>someone else will be. Not much of a guarantee.

 LL> Social Security used to be a guarantee.  Not any more.
 LL> Pensions used to be a guarantee.  Not any more.

 Social security will survive, unless the republicans get so much
 power they can eliminate it quickly enough so the resistance can
 not get organized.

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 BM>>> LOL.... irony as it's best... vote for the man who doesn't give a
 BM>>> rat's ass about you.

 LL>>> You have to remember - we boil our crawfish LIVE.  :)

BK>>Hmmm... that seems a bit... disturbing...

 LL> Not for the crawfish.  They wave their little claws out the
 LL> water and stare at us with those beady little eyes ...

 Thinking how they would like to reverse the positions?


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