From: Gene McAloon 

On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 06:06:42 +0200, Phil Payne
 wrote:

>> Odd that you'd forward that old line now, in the midst of the Butler and
>> Senate Reports that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that both Bush and
>> Blair spoke the truth > always be liars to you>
>
>They quite obviously didn't speak the truth.  The question both sides of
>the Atlantic centres solely on what they knew versus what they were saying
>- on both sides, the intelligence community is being asked to fall on its
>sword to protect its political masters.  In our case, it's too long to go
>to the elections for this to work.
>
>Oh, and:
>
>http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=548016&
section=news

You are wasting your time with the far-right nutty ideologues here. Their
grasp on reality is tenuous at best and utterly absent most of the time.

On a serious matter, I note that the Lib Dems did remarkably well in some of the
by-elections with Labour losing control of assumed safe seats and the
Conservatives slipping back to third place in some areas.

Maybe there is hope yet for the Lib Dems replacing the Conservatives or at least
becoming something other than a debating society with little political
influence. I am not sure you are pleased with that, but you should be. Even
it you don't like Labour, you do need a better alternative than the
Conservatives under Howard.

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