-=> Quoting Stephen Hurd to Michel Samson on 11-09-04  17:19 <=-

 SH> I do understand that there are at least a couple people who use Kermit
 SH> on a regular basis.  For those people, I'm therefore interested in
 SH> allowing them to use their protocol of choice.  Kermit will never be
 SH> the first file transfer tool I reach for, but I can readily understand
 SH> that it may the the first one someone else reaches for.  My interest is
 SH> therefore to provide a useable Kermit file transfer to those people
 SH> who use Kermit because they want to. 

In my case, until my wizard hubby came up with his replacement for
TCPPort, the only* protocol that I could use with Telnet uploads was
kermit (the slow original), as Zmodem only worked for downloads for me. 
And the other X and Ymodem protocols were no better for uploads (didn't
need to try them for downloads).

 SH> Personally,
 SH> I would believe that these are the people who would have a sane Kermit
 SH> implementation... not people using HyperTerminal for example which has
 SH> a terrible Kermit implementation.  

Again, in my case, being fully in DOS only, I wasn't using HyperTerminal
(holding up crossed forefingers to ward off evil ).  And my protocol
implementations were in the ConEx I am using.

 SH> I have a bit of resistance to providing a 7-bit slow kermit as a
 SH> choice... on a telnet connection (which they have) there is no reason
 SH> to use a 7-bit paranoid Kermit.
 SH> However, I'm even willing to go a step further and provide them with a
 SH> 7-bit slow kermit if that's what they want... but I don't want to
 SH> promote the use of 7-bit slow kermit in the face of protocols which are
 SH> better than 7-bit slow kermit for the purpose of transferring a file
 SH> from a BBS over a telnet connection. 

In my case, it wasn't what I wanted so much as what I needed.  I was
very thankful to find that 7-bit paranoid Kermit available when it was,
so that I was* able to upload my message reply packets, and not have to
enter messages online.  Now that hubby has replaced TCPPort in our
set-up with his TelNetPort, things work a lot better, and I can now use
Zmodem for my telnet uploads as well, and still entirely work in DOS. :)

 SH> Ideally, I personally feel the
 SH> best bet would be to have the choices something like this:
 SH> Kermit [7]-bit (Compatible) - SLOW
 SH> XModem - SLOW
 SH> XModem/1K - Sluggish
 SH> YModem - SLOW
 SH> YModem/1K - Sluggish
 SH> YModem/G - Good
 SH> ZModem - Fast
 SH> Kermit (Modern) - Fast
 SH> So the new user has a resonable chance of picking the appropriate
 SH> protocol. 

A sysop after my own heart!  :)  Choices are good.     Thank you!

ttyl       neb

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