From: Ad 

John Beckett wrote:
> "Phil Payne" 
wrote in message
> news::
>>> I'm not suggesting any kind of pogrom, but I think an honest
discussion of
>>> the above should occur in society.
>> I'm with that.  Continue.
>
> Well, now it gets tricky. What if having 1 million muslims happily living
> in a first-world country under current arrangements meant that there was a
> 5% chance per year of a small terrorist act, such as the London tube
> bombing? Whereas (say), you would need 100 million of any other group
> before there was a 5% chance per year of an Oklahoma City bombing.
>
> *If* the above were true, what would be an appropriate response? I don't
> know (although I do know that mass deportation, or Rumsfeld-style
> "security measures" would be offensive, stupid and counter
productive).
>
> I realise that the unstated premises in this question can be attacked in
> several different ways. However, I also think the question could be
> rephrased in a much lengthier form that avoided the standard PC
> objections.
>
> The key issue concerns whether or not there actually is any tendency
> within some branches of islamic teaching towards actions that many
> citizens of, say, Australia would regard as totally unacceptable (such as
> an anger over Palestine/Iraq etc, however justified, that led to terrorist
> acts). I disregard Rev Paisley and similar because I believe that such
> people would be extremely unlikely to lead to serious problems in an area
> outside their "troubles", e.g. if 1000 Paisleys were in Australia.
>

Is anger over Palestine/Iraq a nationalist issue? i.e. are people inspired
effectively by Pan-Arab feelings? If so then there is precious little
difference between that & "Pan-Tamil" (e.g. Tamil Tiger
"collections" within the Tamil diaspora) or "Pan-Irish"
e.g. (Good christian/catholic) Irish Americans paying for & supporting
Irish terrorism.

It's what makes me laugh out loud wrt Peter King trying to cast himself as
the enemy of terrorists e.g by being the head of the "Homeland
Security Committee".

e.g.:

http://cynicor.blogspot.com/2006/10/peter-king-terrorist-supporter.html

"Peter King worked with Noraid, a group that supplied money and guns to the IRA.
Peter King would go to Ireland and drink in IRA clubs - including one that
was limited to IRA veterans who spent time in jail.

The conflicts between the IRA and loyalists resulted in over 3600 deaths.
They assassinated officials and royals. The IRA was responsible for
designing car and truck bombs. The same designs are now used in Iraq
against Americans. This is the group that Peter King supported for
years."

So is there any tendency within some branches of Irish Catholicism teaching
towards actions that many citizens of, say, The United Kingdom would regard
as totally unacceptable?

Remember we had Irish Terrorism for 30+ years not just the last few.

> It may be that in a large, complex, devil-take-the-hindmost society like
> in the USA, that an occasional school shooting or Oklahoma City bombing is
> inevitable. However, if you could identify a tendency that seemed likely
> to produce such outcomes, you would be obliged to investigate counter
> measures. Similarly, society may choose to investigate whether counter
> measures targeted on specific religious groups are warranted.
>
> "Counter measures" does not mean to call in Rumsfeld.
>

Does it mean Ruby Ridge or Waco?

Adam

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