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 LL> Sure, there are some who abuse welfare.  But for most,
 LL> welfare has been a godsend.  Such temporary help has always
 LL> been temporary for most folks, as was the intent of most

 That's what I've been saying all along.

 LL> welfare programs.  However, there are some folks who would
 LL> like all forms of welfare eliminated.  And that flies in
 LL> the face of Catholic social teaching.

 That's what I think.

BK>>Welfare was always a temporary condition for the great majority
BK>>of recipients. Focusing on the failures would lead to the
BK>>denial of help to those who truly were helped.

 LL> There are some welfare programs that are designed to be
 LL> permanent solutions for some folks.  For example, the SSI
 LL> program is designed to be of help for some disabled and
 LL> poor elderly.  Without such help, those who depend on SSI
 LL> would have no way of surviving.

 Of course, I wasn't thinking of them. There will always be some
 who will never be completely self supporting, if at all.

>>Rc>flesh and spirit (of spirit through flesh).  And "perhaps
>>Rc>share in the responsibility of raising children" is wrong
>>Rc>too: the bearing and raising of children, as new members of
>>Rc>the communion, is a natural end of marriage, its perfection
>>Rc>and fulfillment.  It cannot be considered optional.

BK>>As much as I agree with that to a great extent, I also must say
BK>>there are those who should not have children, though they may
BK>>well desire a partner to get through life with.

 LL> It is not so much that some folks "should not have
 LL> children", but rather there are some folks who should not
 LL> raise children.

 I would consider it preferable if those who shouldn't raise
 children didn't have them.

 LL>      For example, if two mentally retarded
 LL> adults get together and the woman gets pregnant, she should
 LL> not be forced to get an abortion.  But it might be a good
 LL> idea for somebody else to raise the child.

 True.

BOB KLAHN bob.klahn{at}sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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