SL> The thing is, these V.8 tones don't do anything to performance
 SL> as far as I can see and don't annoy me that much. I just wanted
 SL> to know what the beeping noises were.

 PC> I found with V.8 tones disabled i could only get a v.fc connect to  a
 PC> M34F with them enabled i got v.34/28800

Something Craig Ford (among other people, at other times) has said is that
V.8 negotiation is required to do V.34.  Can any modem negotiate V.34
without it?

I'll just quote the relevant part of Craig's message to jim barchuk, as it
also discusses other issues that aren't relevant ..

; Date:   Thu Dec 21 1995 06:48:08
; From:   Craig Ford
; To:     jim barchuk
; Subj:   modem capability
; Area:   comm
;
; jim barchuk wrote the following to Craig Ford, and I quote (in part):

[.. cut ..]

;  jb> Question is, how 'certain' are you of the V32T/V34/V32b redundancy?
;
; Positive.
;
; The document which defines V.32terbo is titled:
;
; "19,200 bits/s Full Duplex Modem for the General Switched Telephone Network
; Compatible with V.32bis"
;
; The V.8 protocol, without which V.34 sessions cannot be negotiated,
; specifies that modems will select the best V.series modulation protocol
; available in both the call and answer DCEs, and proceed with the procedures
; specified in Annex A of V.32bis if a specific answer sequence is not
; returned.
;
; Additionally, the scope of V.34 lists among the principal characteristics of
; a compliant modem that it support "automoding to V-Series modems supported
; by V.32bis Automode procedures and Group 3 fascimile machines."
;
;  jb> Is is possibly the 'inverse' of the V42/V42b technical inaccuracy,
;  jb> that V32T and V34 are -supposed- to include V32b, but some modem
;  jb> mfrs don't necessarily fall back?
;
; No, the devices would not then comply to the respective specifications. The
; kicker is that many devices allow a user to selectively dis/enable protocol
; support.

[.. cut ..]

; Regards....
;
; Craig
;
; aka: cford{at}ix.netcom.com
;
; -!- timEd/2 1.10+
;  ! Origin: Dayze of Futures Past * V.Everything * 713-458-0237 * (1:106/2001)


 SL> BTW, what does V.8 do?  The Courier manual says
 SL> "ITU-T recommendation that defines procedures for starting and
 SL> ending sessions of data transmission". Clear enough, I guess.

 PC> Yep really spells it out for us. :-)

I'd like to hear about it in a little more detail, too .. anyone?

Ian

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