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>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:30:36 GMT, in
>>>>>>>>>>>> alt.politics.homosexuality
"Patriot Games"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Jeff
North"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Mar
2007 18:19:43 GMT, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
alt.politics.homosexuality "Patriot Games"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"Dionisio"  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Patriot Games wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"Jeff North"  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Gawd also condones child sex - Lott and his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
daughters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Lott condoned, not God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
can hear the attorneys now... "Objection, Your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Honor! It is a matter of record that Lot was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
intoxicated, and not of sound mind, nor in his right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
mind at the time. Further, his condition -- again a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
matter of record -- was caused by the juvenile
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
delinquents (erm, daughters) in question, whom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
deliberately and willfully took gross advantage of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
his emotional despondency (not to mention his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
person) for their own hedonistic purposes! Lot is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
the victim of this crime, not the perpetrator!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Apparently, His Honor, agreed, for Lot did not die
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
a result of engaging in incest; As mandated in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leviticus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Show
where Lott committed incest....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Go ask your
preacher to finish the story of S&G for you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can't show
where Lott committed incest....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hahahahhaha!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1&chapter=19&version=
9
>>>>>>>>>>>> 31And the firstborn said
unto the younger, Our father is
>>>>>>>>>>>> old, and there is not a
man in the earth to come in unto
>>>>>>>>>>>> us after the manner of all
the earth:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 32Come, let us make our
father drink wine, and we will lie
>>>>>>>>>>>> with him, that we may
preserve seed of our father.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 33And they made their
father drink wine that night: and the
>>>>>>>>>>>> firstborn went in, and lay
with her father; and he
>>>>>>>>>>>> perceived not when she lay
down, nor when she arose.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 34And it came to pass on
the morrow, that the firstborn
>>>>>>>>>>>> said unto the younger,
Behold, I lay yesternight with my
>>>>>>>>>>>> father: let us make him
drink wine this night also; and go
>>>>>>>>>>>> thou in, and lie with him,
that we may preserve seed of
>>>>>>>>>>>> our father. 35And they
made their father drink wine that
>>>>>>>>>>>> night also: and the
younger arose, and lay with him; and
>>>>>>>>>>>> he perceived not when she
lay down, nor when she arose.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 36Thus were both the
daughters of Lot with child by their
>>>>>>>>>>>> father. 37And the first
born bare a son, and called his
>>>>>>>>>>>> name Moab: the same is the
father of the Moabites unto
>>>>>>>>>>>> this day. 38And the
younger, she also bare a son, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> called his name Benammi:
the same is the father of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> children of Ammon unto this day.
>>>>>>>>>>> "...and he perceived not
when she lay down, nor when she
>>>>>>>>>>> arose...." He was raped. 
While unconscious.
>>>>>>>>>> Think about the story for a
moment...  There he was, drunk on
>>>>>>>>>> his ass, unconscious, or at most
semi-conscious, yet this
>>>>>>>>>> guy, at least middle age and
probably older given that the
>>>>>>>>>> average lifespan was 45 or 50, was
able to achieve and
>>>>>>>>>> maintain an errection long enough
for his daughters to rape
>>>>>>>>>> him.
>>>>>>>>> So the story goes...
>>>>>>>>>> The entire story is so cockamamie
that it's laughable.
>>>>>>>>> Yep, but there it is....
>>>>>>>>> I didn't write it...
>>>>>>>> You just believe it is something more than
a fairytale.
>>>>>>> Yep, more than a fairytale.
>>>>>> Not really, that's all it is.
>>>>> Your opinion.
>>>> Not really, just poking at the logical flaws in the tale is pretty
>>>> conclusive proof that it was either made up, or based very, and I
>>>> stress, very loosely on something that may have happened.   Either
>>>> way, a fable, or fairytale.
>>> Your opinion of logical flaws (which you actually failed to mention)
>>> isn't proof and certainly isn't conclusive proof....
>> I have mentioned them, you just can't honestly address them.
>
> There aren't "logical" flaws in the story.

They are just the move obvious logical flaws.

>
>> As you are obviously slow, I will repeat:
>> "Think about the story for a moment...  There he was, drunk on his
>> ass, unconscious, or at most semi-conscious, yet this guy, at least
>> middle age and probably older given that the average lifespan was 45
>> or 50, was able to achieve and maintain an  errection long enough
>> for his daughters to rape him."
>> Can you offer an actual rebuttal, based in something other than
>> handwaving?
>
> Prove that getting an erection is IMPOSSIBLE while unconscious and
> you've made your point.  Otherwise you don't have a point.

The fact that alcohol is a central nervous system depressant if a very well
known fact.   Drinking your self into unconciousness is very dangerous
because your nervous system activity can get so low that in several cases
per year it causes respiratory and occastionally cardiac arrest.    Give it
a try, tell us how long you maintained an erection after losing
consciousness.  Hell, tell us how long you maintain any sort of genital
sensation after drinking yourself unconscious.  Ask your local physician.

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