Hello mark,

On Sat Jul 22 2017 09:12:52, mark lewis wrote to Nicholas Boel:

 NB>> The people involved had no choice.

 ml> they had all the choice but they did nothing... even when asked
 ml> directly to do something about the problem they did nothing...

The problem was one sided, just like what happened was one sided as well.

 NB>> Even when it was brought up in a private echo before it happened,
 NB>> more people disagreed with it than agreed with it.

 ml> not that i saw...

Then you weren't looking in both directions.

 ml> there were more "please do something" than there
 ml> were "let it be" votes... and then one of the loudest and most
 ml> prolific "please do something" voters took steps to stab
everyone in
 ml> the back and link things around the back side...

Do remember quite a bit of the "please do something" voters were
NOT in agreement of completely cutting the other side out of the echo.

There were no "let it be" votes. It was more or less
"Fidonet should not be censored" votes.

 NB>> Yet it was still done. It was a power trip since there were no
 NB>> other "star systems" out there at the time. You say
"controlling
 NB>> your members" like the NAB are in charge of Fidonet? If that's
 NB>> what you truly believe, you can get bent, good sir.

 ml> now you're confusing things and doing what others have done, blending
 ml> this and that to come up with gack but there's no gack on the menu...
 ml> stop it, mon... no one is in charge of fidonet and never have been...

Whatever man. You specifically mentioned controlling your members, I didn't.

 ml> the NAB are responsible to their clients and their clients only...
 ml> there have been and were other ""stars"" (aka
distribution systems)
 ml> since forever... at one time there were three known distribution
 ml> systems and they all operated in much the same fashion...

Who cares what other backbones there _were_? I'm talking about now. There
was _one_ at the time this happened. They tried flexing some kind of
control and someone you thought was on your side gave you away (since it
was all a big secret) which eventually resulted in another form of
distribution. That is all.

I don't know why you like to keep bringing this up and arguing about it,
but my stance will never change and I'm glad the Fidoweb is there to combat
any kind of potential strong-arming in the future.

This all started with asking someone if they could provide a MSGID. There
were dupes in Fidonet long before the Fidoweb, and there always will be
with or without the Fidoweb.

Regards,
Nick

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